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Men will be men, sadly. Can't even feel safe when sober as a charming guy could decide to put roofies in your diet coke.
> Men will be men, sadly. I don't think that's an appropriate way to frame it.
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Who killed the rave?
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#452Earlier quoted context omitted.
> big cities pay the most Big cities pay top performers the most, by far, but median incomes tend to be quite a bit lower than small town/rural areas. If you are a professional sports star or F500 CEO, the city is unquestionably the place to be†, but for the normal person who will end up in a drab job the money often isn't there. Many will accept the low pay due to being temporarily embarrassed CEOs, of course. † Alt…
Pay is lower in small/rural towns for the cheap jobs - but your cost of living is also lower. The trick is finding the best compromise for your situation - dense enough to have the higher pay of a city while not so dense that your cost of living is too high. Where I live in the Suburbs of Des Moines, McDonalds starts at $16/hour. There are rural towns not far away where they start at $14, and I know rural towns farth…
> Pay is lower in small/rural towns for the cheap jobs
I expect the median income is often higher in rural areas because, while there is little on the high end, there is more mid-tier opportunity. In the big city if you don't make it into the big leagues, only the dregs are left. Cities amplify the extremes. In rural areas, the $30 per hour jobs are willing to hire any warm body that shows up.
Of course, rural is a difficult categorization as it is a catchall for everything that is left. A rural area with a strong agricultural sector, for example, is nothing like a rural area that is not much more than barren wilderness. In the former, there is a lot of money to be made, comparatively, while in the latter the McDonalds at the highway rest stop may be the only business there is for hundreds of miles. We are definitely talking about a certain kind of rural here.
Re: Who killed the rave?
#453I love electronic music. Been listening to it for 30 years. Mostly drumbass, dubstep, some house. Groups like subfocus. I used to listen to tiesto, bt, etc. One, I hated the term "raving". I was thought raves were finding an abandoned house, playing music and drugs. I just like the music and don't need the dance clubs or the drugs. But with the said, I think the "club" scene has dropped off. Expensive drinks. Expensi…
> Has the music droppped off? I think it kind of merged into more mainstream music.
There’s still plenty of “underground” dance music and events going on.
The main stream stuff is just another sub genre of electronic music.
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I do find these kinds of articles funny. "Why are the younger generations not destroying their bodies like we did?" Maybe we just don't want to bro.
> Maybe we just don't want to bro. There's nothing wrong with it (quite the opposite), but keep in mind that this is not a normal thing. Most generations didn't act like this.
There’s some recency bias to that for sure though - silent and greatest generations were not as big on partying like x or the boomers. Of course things like smoking were more common but the heath risks weren’t as well understood.
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or the pile of solo cups on the corner when you turn, for those of us or went to illegal beach bonfire parties in the outer banks!
Outer Banks like of NC? I spent some time down there, and didn't think there were enough people for something like that to happen.
It used to get a huge influx of Russians (illegally) working summer jobs there. I could write a book about one of those summers...
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I think it is almost entirely job driven. Given the choice of equal pay, most people would pick a cheap suburban 2000sqft house with a garden for 10% the price of a SF condo. Of course, variation exists
> Given the choice of equal pay, most people would pick a cheap suburban 2000sqft house with a garden for 10% the price of a SF condo. This already happened during Covid, and no country substantially de-urbanized. In fact, urban real estate prices skyrocketed. The only cities where prices stayed flat or went down were highly over-priced places that people hated living anyway (like the Bay Area).
If we are talking about Tier 1 cities, those are the ones that de-urbanized.
Interest rates had a huge impact on prices, but my understanding is that suburban real-estate, especially ones with outdoor attractions skyrocketed as much or more.
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It's shocking how often the answer to "How come X changed?" is either the creation of the internet or the cost of real estate. Surprisingly often, it's both.
When my mom was teen, she says the way they had the most fun was to go to dancing parties in people's houses and sometimes in some special venue for younger people. That was in the 60's. As I grew up in the 80's we had nothing like that, we just went to night clubs or some street full of bars/restaurants. Dancing was mostly a thing you did by yourself, like in most night clubs still these days, not like she describes…
Imho, the internet / mobile apps have drastically atrophied younger generations' face-to-face social interaction skills.
And specifically their appetite for the risk/discomfort that goes along with living in realtime physical moments with other people.
Human beings are awkward as hell, but that's what laughter and tolerance are the bridges for.
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#458The author doesn't even seem to know what a rave is, most likely they aren't in decline at all. They're talking about formal, permanent dance clubs shutting down for economic reasons. Raves are mostly an underground - often illegal or questionably legal - impromptu one off event, organized through word of mouth and social media on an invite only basis. There is almost no way to get statistics on them because they are…
I'm guessing your mention of desert raves places you in a different country to the author? In the UK, where I believe the word originates when applied to late night electronic music events in the mid 80s, the term meant an often unauthorised event in a field or industrial site. Perhaps it was the noise menace, or perhaps people dancing in a field fuelled by MDMA caused a big deal in alcohol duty revenue for the gover…
As someone from the U.S his language is perfectly correct for here. Everyone from the U.S thinks of Raves in the way he described.
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More like "How come the younger generations aren't doing ?" Because they can't afford it. Also my belief is that people don't do anything anymore because nobody gets really bored anymore. Boredom is a powerful motivator to make plans, set up clubs, find interests, meet people etc. Now you just swipe through instagram for a few minutes and boom, no more boredom.
I don't buy it. Going to a club is cheap, in most you only pay for drinks which a bit more expensive than in a pub, but it's not breaking the bank. Here in Italy you can go to a club and spend less than 10€s for the night if you don't have to eat. I'll say what the issue with clubs are: plenty of people never got there to have fun but to meet people and get laid. Now dating apps have removed the need for youth to go…
Obviously we live in different places, but I finished uni in Canada not too long ago and going to the club during uni was expensive. There was often a cover, if you want drinks at the bar, they'll be like 10-15$ each, if you drink at home, it's much cheaper. So usually we'd pre and then make our way to the club. But often , we'd get a little too drunk/high at home or enjoy one another's company enough that we never made it to the bar! Or if the idea was to meet new people there were often house parties where they played music, people were dancing etc anyway, they were free, didn't require lining up/id checks and often enough we're close enough to where we lived that walking home would've been easy.
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Brooklyn Mirage is hardly a rave place, just a club. Went last year it was pretty terrible. The sound was so quiet I could talk with my gf without yelling. There was also a food vendor inside the venue for whatever weird reason. Paid $300 for tickets and 2 drinks. I heard basement is a good place but never been. Europe's techno parties and raves are still going strong and no food vendors inside ofcourse we are not th…
My understanding is that Brooklyn Mirage was engineered specifically to be both loud and at the same time permit a conversation with the people next to you, so your experience is a feature, not a bug. I think we’re all just not used to having that level of thoughtful engineering with that design criteria, so we just associate “too loud to talk” with “good.” I found the experience to be remarkable.
There were clubs in lower Manhattan and Midtown before 9/11 that had those kind of sound systems. The kind of THD that costs money. Jungly kind of beats were still exotic.