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Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race

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Post by danenania »

vkou wrote: post #450
danenania wrote: post #392

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Another explanation could be detection bias: it was tracked to the market not because it originated there, but because vastly more resources have been expended on investigating the market compared to any other place in the city. You’re assuming “it was tracked to there” = “it originated there” but that’s a big leap.

> You’re assuming “it was tracked to there” = “it originated there” but that’s a big leap. If the market were one of multiple second-generation infection spreader sites, we'd have had significantly faster growth in the rate of infections. With the power of hindsight, the rate of spread of COVID is well-understood, and the timelines of people getting sick is consistent with one initial outbreak site. There just aren't…

All of that is subject to detection bias as well. There’s a lot of uncertainty involved in tracking early cases. It’s not anything close to solid evidence.

Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race

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Post by pmarreck »

bobxmax wrote: post #448
pmarreck wrote: post #443

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> Just because a sentence has the word "Jew" in it and isn't wildly positive doesn't automatically make it anti-semitic. LOL, this is quite the impressive goalpost-moving. I'm sure all the terrorists who believe they will attain Jannat al-Firdous by becoming Shaheed while killing Israelis (thanks to Sunan Ibn Majah 2799, Book 24, Hadith 47) are making the same distinction you are. Quran 2:80, Quran 5:82, Quran 9:29,…

Good god what a stupid post. I knew I was in for a treat when you claimed a Hasan hadith was being used to justify murdering people, but then you followed it up with every verse you could find vaguely mentioning Jews and even some completely unrelated to them. It's like reading a fundie from Louisiana's "evidence" against vaccines on Facebook. "USAF Veteran" - OK makes sense now. You emptied your brain and drank the…

Only a person with weak arguments has to attack the person making them instead of the argument itself, so thanks for taking the L dude. The truth has finally come out. You are, in fact, the original moron. If you can’t tell that it’s all bullshit, then that’s exactly what you are. A loving God is not also a threatening and punitive one. Because that makes no sense to anyone with a brain who has decided to actually use it. You’re in a death cult, or a useful idiot supporting one, and furthermore, the defense of Western values, per your ignorant and naïve Air Force remark, is absolutely worth it, and to hell with anyone who disagrees. I would gladly serve again to defend from the further encroachment of the bullshit worldview you support.

At least the Green Prince was smart enough to figure it out.

Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race

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Post by vkou »

danenania wrote: post #451
vkou wrote: post #450

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You’re assuming “it was tracked to there” = “it originated there” but that’s a big leap. If the market were one of multiple second-generation infection spreader sites, we'd have had significantly faster growth in the rate of infections. With the power of hindsight, the rate of spread of COVID is well-understood, and the timelines of people getting sick is consistent with one initial outbreak site. There just aren't…

All of that is subject to detection bias as well. There’s a lot of uncertainty involved in tracking early cases. It’s not anything close to solid evidence.

It would be a damn weird form of bias when every early case that could be accounted for was somehow tracked to only the market.

The location bias hypothesis would work if they looked at all patrons of the market, and checked if they got sick. That's not what they did, though, because they didn't have a list of all the patrons of the market. It doesn't have a guestbook.

They looked for people who got sick, and asked them where they went before they fell sick. And all of them turned out to have gone to the market - and not on the same day.

Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race

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Post by danenania »

vkou wrote: post #453
danenania wrote: post #451

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of that is subject to detection bias as well. There’s a lot of uncertainty involved in tracking early cases. It’s not anything close to solid evidence.

It would be a damn weird form of bias when every early case that could be accounted for was somehow tracked to only the market. The location bias hypothesis would work if they looked at all patrons of the market, and checked if they got sick. That's not what they did, though, because they didn't have a list of all the patrons of the market. It doesn't have a guestbook. They looked for people who got sick, and asked t…

The exact methodology of how they found these people is very important, as there are many potential sources of bias, not to mention conflicts of interest.

I did some searching and it seems that you are perhaps basing your conclusions on this article/the studies it points to? - https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5...

> A geospatial analysis reports that 155 early COVID-19 cases from Hubei Province, China, in December, 2019, significantly clustered around a food market in Wuhan, China.

However, I couldn't find details on how these 155 cases were selected or what exactly "significantly clustered" means. 155 is a small sample, so the details are important.

Also important is whether the data on these cases was provided by government sources. If so, I would question how reliable or representative that data is.

Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race

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Post by bobxmax »

pmarreck wrote: post #452
bobxmax wrote: post #448

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Good god what a stupid post. I knew I was in for a treat when you claimed a Hasan hadith was being used to justify murdering people, but then you followed it up with every verse you could find vaguely mentioning Jews and even some completely unrelated to them. It's like reading a fundie from Louisiana's "evidence" against vaccines on Facebook. "USAF Veteran" - OK makes sense now. You emptied your brain and drank the…

Only a person with weak arguments has to attack the person making them instead of the argument itself, so thanks for taking the L dude. The truth has finally come out. You are, in fact, the original moron. If you can’t tell that it’s all bullshit, then that’s exactly what you are. A loving God is not also a threatening and punitive one. Because that makes no sense to anyone with a brain who has decided to actually us…

LOL oh my really struck a nerve with the basement dwelling philogynist

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Post by specialist »

cheinic830405 wrote: post #295
bugglebeetle wrote: post #254

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Sure thing, Dr. Pangloss. > Average age of first-time homebuyers is 38, an all-time high. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2024/11/05/the-average-age-of-first... > U.S. homelessness rose 18 percent in 2024, continuing multi-year upward trend > https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-homelessness-rose-18... > analysis of government data estimates that people in the United States owe at least $220 billion in medical debt. http…

> Average age of first-time homebuyers is 38, an all-time high. And why is this a problem? What is wrong with renting for life, exactly? I’m seeing more and more people own rental properties, but do not own their primary residence by choice.

For better or worse, home ownership in the USA has been incentivized. Younger generations are now frozen out of the primary means to accumulate wealth.

Ways forward are a) continued denial (status quo), b) YIMBYs defeat NIMBYs, c) change policy (incentivize renting) or d) .

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Post by specialist »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #303
Dalewyn wrote: post #300

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Trump won both the electoral and popular votes and won all the swing states. The Republicans took both Houses of Congress and held all governorships up for election. Yes, he won by a landslide and the biggest factor was the bad economy.

The factor was calling the economy a bad economy, they are already backtracking on promises since the economy is doing pretty well already and they won’t be able to juice it much more. Anyone who thinks 49.9% of the vote (vs 48.4%) is a landslide will quickly find them in negative approval ratings if they think that gives them much political capital (if trump focuses and spending rather than earning capital, that is,…

Politics is about rhetoric, not reality.

Recall that GWB declared a mandate (to reverse all progressive social programs since the New Deal) when he squeaked out a victory over Kerry.

Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race

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Post by pmarreck »

Bilal_io wrote: post #445
pmarreck wrote: post #441

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OK, now do Surah 2:191, 3:28, 3:85, 5:33, 8:12, 8:60, 8:65, 9:5, 9:30, 9:123, 22:19, and 47:4. All only taken from the Quran. And I have a much longer list. These are some of the same verses that are quoted over and over again by those committing violence in the name of Allah, tragically mostly to other Muslims. Ostensibly, if I quote the "worse" ones from the Hadith, you will just say "yes but that is the Hadith" Fo…

You're doing what others do, you're picking stuff out of context. Start by reading a few verses before and after each one of the verses you mentioned, then we can discuss them further. Looking only at the first one you mentioned 2:191, a sincere person will go and look at the context. 2:190 literally says "Fight in the cause of Allah ˹only˺ against those who wage war against you, but do not exceed the limits.1 Allah…

And not very far later, "And be mindful of Allah, and know that Allah is severe in punishment."

That's bullshit. God is love. End of story. Any other claim is bullshit. It makes no sense to have a punitive God in charge of everything. Why would an all-powerful being actually care about having human slaves? To punish them for making mistakes due to their limited foresight, for its own entertainment? It would get bored in a microsecond. And do you really want a God like that? One who rules with fear and who expects "submission"? No wonder Muslims are miserable. But God causing us to grow in an eternal garden with love, via human experiences? THAT makes more sense. Open your eyes. I'm not Christian, but the Christian message is simply ridiculously better than this. No wonder there are so few Christian terrorists compared to Muslim ones. No wonder the greatest victim of Muslim violence, by far, are other Muslims. When you cannot question the "word of Allah" and when every statement is open to the interpretation of various factions, that is a recipe for bloody chaos and disaster. Which is EXACTLY what we are witnessing.

Islam makes a mockery of humanity.

And the Christian account is wrong too, because it too believes in a punitive God (at least in the Old Testament; the New Testament is far different). When you die, your soul will judge itself. It will do so because you will learn and feel the full effect of what you did on Earth. You will have omniscient empathy, basically. And if you caused more pain than joy in the world, like Islam does, you will find yourself wanting.

This place we find ourselves in is a school. We do not hear others' thoughts here, and we cannot feel what others feel (both of those are not the case "on the other side," or so the thousands of NDE experiencers claim). This forces us to choose to empathize. Or not. Be dishonest... Or not. You will directly perceive the "ripple effect" over there. You will not, here. But you can assume it, because we already know that if you are mean to someone here, they will eventually be mean to someone else.

There's nothing else to it. No supplication expectations, just love people. Bring more of God's love into the world. Give up religions, they are human-created control mechanisms.

Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lfiwd2PzXvw&list=PLvnDbwjRqI...

Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race

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Post by pmarreck »

bobxmax wrote: post #455
pmarreck wrote: post #452

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only a person with weak arguments has to attack the person making them instead of the argument itself, so thanks for taking the L dude. The truth has finally come out. You are, in fact, the original moron. If you can’t tell that it’s all bullshit, then that’s exactly what you are. A loving God is not also a threatening and punitive one. Because that makes no sense to anyone with a brain who has decided to actually us…

LOL oh my really struck a nerve with the basement dwelling philogynist

You got triggered first, otherwise you wouldn't have made a personal attack and investigated my profile. Those are the refuges of argument-losers.

And your account created 20 days ago indicates you got banned on another account for being an ass, or you are a noob. Neither of which looks good.

Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race

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Post by pmarreck »

bobxmax wrote: post #448
pmarreck wrote: post #443

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Just because a sentence has the word "Jew" in it and isn't wildly positive doesn't automatically make it anti-semitic. LOL, this is quite the impressive goalpost-moving. I'm sure all the terrorists who believe they will attain Jannat al-Firdous by becoming Shaheed while killing Israelis (thanks to Sunan Ibn Majah 2799, Book 24, Hadith 47) are making the same distinction you are. Quran 2:80, Quran 5:82, Quran 9:29,…

Good god what a stupid post. I knew I was in for a treat when you claimed a Hasan hadith was being used to justify murdering people, but then you followed it up with every verse you could find vaguely mentioning Jews and even some completely unrelated to them. It's like reading a fundie from Louisiana's "evidence" against vaccines on Facebook. "USAF Veteran" - OK makes sense now. You emptied your brain and drank the…

Literally every other day now we hear about a violent act by someone radicalized by the book you're defending. Either the New Orleans guy or the Vegas guy (or both; I can't keep track because there are so many) even had a Quran open to the page that inspired him.

EDIT: It was the New Orleans guy: https://nypost.com/2025/01/02/us-news/new-orleans-isis-terro...

For some reason, none of them ever have a Bible or a Torah or a Talmud or a Bhagavad Gita left open to a page demanding violence or supplication to a hateful God. None of them have religious paraphernalia except from one religion in particular, whose adherents keep claiming it is just "media bias" (since the left wing loves terrorists now and since most journalists and media are left-wing, we can actually safely assume that more is hidden than what is relayed, actually... and I'm not even trying to politicize this, but that's just facts)

But keep blaming the people instead of the book that enables them, though, while calling me stupid. Just like your fucking book with its bigamist pederast warmonger "prophet" victim-blames the raped because of how they dressed. LOLLLLL

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