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Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Post by Amezarak »

_djo_ wrote: post #439
Amezarak wrote: post #422

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most importantly, it was entirely separate to the use of blue ticks to denote verified and authentic accounts Blue ticks had nothing to do with being "verified" or "authentic." They were handed out randomly to some celebrities. bigcorps, and friends of Twitter employees. As far as I know a bluecheck was never handed out to anyone who wasn't who they said they were (although you could get them under pseudonyms too),…

That’s false. The programme was explicitly launched to highlight accounts that Twitter the company had verified as actually representing the person. [0] It was launched after the company was sued by a sports star who was impersonated. Until Musk took over it could always be relied on as proof of an account’s authenticity. What you’re complaining about isn’t that it represented something else, but that as with any lar…

Yes, bluechecks were who they said they were. But just because you were who you said you were did not mean you could get a bluecheck.

Bluecheck -> authentic. Authentic !> bluecheck.

There was no path for most people almost all of the time to get a bluecheck, and they could be removed for arbitrary reasons having nothing to do with your identity. The "process" consisted of someone at Twitter deciding you were worthy, based on arbitrary criteria including "you're my friend."

> The claim that it was only handed out to people for social cachet doesn’t hold water. For one, Republican politicians, Fox News and other conservative publication journalists, and sufficiently notable right-leaning celebrities all had blue ticks.

Having bad politics doesn't mean one doesn't have social cachet. You yourself say here "notable" - but again, just being notable was not enough, though it was a big help. And of course, if you had the right friends, you could be completely non-notable.

Your post begins with "that's false", but the rest of it agrees with what I said.

In many old Twitter circles, having a bluecheck made you an object of derision for precisely these reasons - it didn't signify authenticity, it was a social marker that frequently came with inane tweets and thin skin that was perceived to arise due to an idea they thought they were "elite."

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Post by staticman2 »

meowster wrote: post #169
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #159

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> You'll be surprised how many people think they can just use first.lastname@gmail.com and have email magically appear in their account. Since I like surprises, do tell ... how many people think that?

At least 6 with my not-that-common (maybe somewhere in the middle) first and last name combination. Maybe more, but at least six of the emails meant for others that I've received, implied they live at those six unique locations. I know one of them likes to get the vegetarian meal option when traveling internationally by plane. (Companies should really validate email address OWNERSHIP before spamming innocent people.)

If the email they were trying to reach was [firstname].[middle initial].[lastname] and they forgot the middle initial that would explain why it's showing up in your inbox.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Post by mozarella »

akvadrako wrote: post #434
mozarella wrote: post #340

Related : Corey Doctrow's article (again) about how he doesn't trust Bluesky enough to move there from mastodon. Especially Bluesky's promise to allow users to migrate to another host in the fediverse. https://doctorow.medium.com/https-pluralistic-net-2024-11-02... Older article : https://pluralistic.net/2023/08/06/fool-me-twice-we-dont-get...

What does he mean there is only one "Bluesky server" ? You can already run your own Personal data server (for your data), Relay (to aggregate all feeds), AppView (that holds a view of the data), or client (that talks to the AppView).

Can you seamlessly migrate your account (your id, followers, and posts) to another host without losing said followers? I think that's the main feature Doctrow is looking for?

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Post by pessimizer »

Zambyte wrote: post #432
maelito wrote: post #59

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> there is no reason to offer a valuable feature for free. Well that's of course OK with me : Bluesky should make their users pay. 10 % of users paying 1€/month, 1 % paying 10 €/month, for instance. That's ok, we're paying a service. But the API access and federation should remain free.

It's interesting to me that you consider servicing API requests to not be a service.

Of course they're a service, but a lot of people started calling Musk evil when he started charging for them, so now we (who love bluesky) have to pretend like they're not an online service but have somehow become a moral obligation.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Post by pessimizer »

aSanchezStern wrote: post #144
glimshe wrote: post #46

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"Openness",as far as for-profit businesses are concerned, is a marketing strategy. Once enough users are locked in, there is no reason to offer a valuable feature for free.

You're assuming that every for profit business is entirely devoid of morality. This was not true under the Keynesian compromise of the 20th century, and is not true of every business today. Just because people are sometimes selfish doesn't mean they never have any principles.

> This was not true under the Keynesian compromise of the 20th century

What does this mean. What does Keynes have to do with moral companies? Is it made up?

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Post by pjc50 »

hobs wrote: post #437
glenstein wrote: post #389

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Thanks for the links! I think this perfectly captures my frustration here. It's like people have learned nothing and are, once again, making an aesthetic choice.

When you actually look at what people do instead of what they say, it often shows that that's really the only choice people want.

Well, yes. Bluesky offers something close to the look and feel and, crucially, community of pre-ruined twitter, plus some new community moderation tools. Realistically 99% of its users don't care about and arguably don't even want decentralization.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Post by pjc50 »

aSanchezStern wrote: post #144
glimshe wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Openness",as far as for-profit businesses are concerned, is a marketing strategy. Once enough users are locked in, there is no reason to offer a valuable feature for free.

You're assuming that every for profit business is entirely devoid of morality. This was not true under the Keynesian compromise of the 20th century, and is not true of every business today. Just because people are sometimes selfish doesn't mean they never have any principles.

Well, it's a pretty good null hypothesis.

And both people and boards can change for the worse.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Post by 1oooqooq »

epolanski wrote: post #378

Open question, why do people keep caring about socials that much? Especially educated people should stay away from that toxicity. Boards like HN and occasionally Reddit, where it's mostly about discussing and being anonymous are the only places worth contributing on the internet other than personal blogs.

fair question. it's the only social interaction for most people. i know one guy that chats with their alexa device to pass time

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Post by bumby »

khafra wrote: post #414
epolanski wrote: post #378

Open question, why do people keep caring about socials that much? Especially educated people should stay away from that toxicity. Boards like HN and occasionally Reddit, where it's mostly about discussing and being anonymous are the only places worth contributing on the internet other than personal blogs.

On Twitter I get to see interactions between the people that built games I played as a kid, famous actors, Nobel prize winners, heads of state, and authors I had assumed died decades ago. If I write something insightful and relevant enough, I might get a gesture of appreciation from a FAANG research director, a prominent philosopher, or just someone who writes the funniest aphorisms I've ever seen. It's toxic in some…

I have felt that pull myself, but can't help that even the "gesture of appreciation" is a somewhat hollow and superficial feeling of status. From that standpoint, I don't know that it's all that good of a signal to chase especially given the larger context of the limitations of Twitter.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Post by i5heu »

mozarella wrote: post #453
akvadrako wrote: post #434

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does he mean there is only one "Bluesky server" ? You can already run your own Personal data server (for your data), Relay (to aggregate all feeds), AppView (that holds a view of the data), or client (that talks to the AppView).

Can you seamlessly migrate your account (your id, followers, and posts) to another host without losing said followers? I think that's the main feature Doctrow is looking for?

Yes you can change your PDS without losing anything.
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