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Re: Should more of us be moving to live near friends?

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Post by pas »

motorest wrote: post #244
pas wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, people moving away is not new and not surprising, and happens all over the world, it's basically the main driver of urbanization. What's new was (rich) people moving "back" (to suburbs for the American Dream, and nowadays to have kids). Though it's better than what used to happen - which was lots of kids, and high infant mortality, plus poverty driving kids to find jobs in cities, where bad living conditions and…

> So, people moving away is not new and not surprising, and happens all over the world, it's basically the main driver of urbanization. What's new was (rich) people moving "back" (to suburbs for the American Dream, and nowadays to have kids). Actually, no. It is a very recent phenomenon, and never experienced before at this scale in the history of mankind. Even at the current scale, this is what the data shows: > Nea…

Sorry, do you mean they are not moving away or not moving far or ... ?

About 4 million people moved from rural areas to a town in the 19th century in the UK.

Many people moved to "the new world", etc.

Of course most moves were short (simply "one level up" on the density ladder).

"""

The working-class intercounty migrant was young, literate and skilled; the median distance travelled was 59 miles. Regional migration pathways are described. Rural workers moved more frequently than urban workers, but urban workers travelled a greater median distance than their rural counterparts

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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S03057...

""" ... only 29% of heads of households in 1871 had been born in Manchester and 12% originated from surrounding counties, 32% were long-distance mainland migrants, coming from as far afield as Scotland and East Anglia. """

https://www.futurelearn.com/info/courses/migration-cities/0/...

So if 80% are staying withing a 100 miles, 20% moving more is not that far from the 32% in the 19th century.

Re: Should more of us be moving to live near friends?

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Post by mlinhares »

vel0city wrote: post #407
mlinhares wrote: post #404

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They do exist, but they don’t exist in a vacuum, it’s decades of carbrained policies to get people to believe this is the only way to live. And the cities that do have good public transportation (by US standards) like NYC are letting it rot, thus convincing people even more this can’t possibly work. Also, people voting against their own interests is basically America for most of its time. They’ll continue to vote for…

> decades of carbrained policies Decades of carbrained policies they voted for and continue to vote for and continue to believe in . This isn't some shadowy cabal doing things that everyone hates but somehow has no power over. These are popular policies being picked. We're never going to enact real change if we don't acknowledge people currently do want these things, and it's not obvious to them that the alternatives…

Yeah, we’re fucked. I don’t see this ever changing.

Re: Should more of us be moving to live near friends?

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Post by rayiner »

simmanian wrote: post #434
rayiner wrote: post #420

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Is she one of those Asians who thinks it’s “racist” when people ask questions that merely acknowledge that Asians are highly likely to be immigrants or children of immigrants? Like: “where are you really from?” I find it impossible to believe that people are literally “yelling slurs” to anyone in street unprovoked. I look like a 9/11 hijacker and nobody has ever done that to me even walking around bumblefuck south Ge…

Why are you asking this given what the parent comment described? Are you accusing them of lying or blowing things out of proportion? I'm truly, honestly happy that you have not experienced anything like what the parent comment described. But I grew up in west coast America and I still experienced a lot of casual racism. Park next to someone? They yell, "This ain't China, don't park so close." Walk home from school? S…

People don’t shout anything at me, racial or otherwise. Certainly not “1 in 20” strangers on the street. So I find OP’s story difficult to believe and likely lacking context.

> Park next to someone? They yell, "This ain't China, don't park so close." Walk home from school? Students yell ching chong at me. Shit is messed.

Is this “racism” or bad manners/people trying to get a rise out of you? Did that guy yell at you because you were Asian, or would he have yelled at you if you were white—just with a different comment? Same for the kids in school—if you were different in another way (fat, skinny, etc) would they have shouted that at you instead?

Do you think you’ve ever been materially prejudiced because you were Asian rather than white?

Re: Should more of us be moving to live near friends?

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Post by goodpoint »

bluGill wrote: post #328
goodpoint wrote: post #296

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> rituals and doctrines around proving there is no God Please provide evidence to substantiate this claim.

Their rituals involve quotes of Noam Chomsky or Richard Dawkins anytime region comes up. Noam Chomsky and/or Richard Dawkins wrote their doctrines which they accept without question. Maybe that isn't you, but it exists.

This is not reddit nor 4chan.

Re: Should more of us be moving to live near friends?

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Post by [deleted] »

grumpy-de-sre wrote: post #212
dlisboa wrote: post #71

Coming from a Latin American the idea of re-starting your life across the country for college and then again for work (multiple times sometimes) while away from family and friends is very foreign. A lot of the conversation around modern American youth feeling isolated, lacking socialization and not building strong relationships seems that stem from this drive. Another thing that’s really weird and related is another…

In Anglo cultures kids aren't usually moving away from home until they are at least ~18 years old. This is not a factor in teenagers feeling isolated. Suburbia and the decline of third places probably play a far greater role in this demographic. It's a common trope on here to lament on how the Anglo cultures don't value family ties strongly enough. I'd argue not overly valuing family ties has been a big competitive a…

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Re: Should more of us be moving to live near friends?

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Post by dyauspitr »

dlisboa wrote: post #71

Coming from a Latin American the idea of re-starting your life across the country for college and then again for work (multiple times sometimes) while away from family and friends is very foreign. A lot of the conversation around modern American youth feeling isolated, lacking socialization and not building strong relationships seems that stem from this drive. Another thing that’s really weird and related is another…

I think it facilitates the relatively high social mobility you see in the US. Being able to start over a few times means you can easily reinvent yourself whereas someone that lives in the same situation they were born into might not.

Re: Should more of us be moving to live near friends?

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Post by dyauspitr »

rayiner wrote: post #420
derefr wrote: post #408

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Yes, racist. I took my (Asian) partner back with me to visit the small town I grew up in, and I could not believe some of the shit coming out of people's mouths when they saw her. Literally 1 in 5 people she talked to while we were there would do some sort of "funny" voice or ask her some real stupid shit; and 1 in 20 people we passed while walking around in the downtown area would shout slurs at her from across the…

Is she one of those Asians who thinks it’s “racist” when people ask questions that merely acknowledge that Asians are highly likely to be immigrants or children of immigrants? Like: “where are you really from?” I find it impossible to believe that people are literally “yelling slurs” to anyone in street unprovoked. I look like a 9/11 hijacker and nobody has ever done that to me even walking around bumblefuck south Ge…

Since you’re ethnically Bangladeshi, have you never had someone in the US be racist to you?

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Post by whiskiss »

speed_spread wrote: post #394
jhardy54 wrote: post #263

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What you’re describing isn’t really agnosticism. Agnosticism is about not knowing if gods exist, not about thinking their existence doesn’t matter. The mix-and-match approach you’re describing is seems more closely related to religious syncretism.

Once one admits that God's existence is undecidable, s/he can either live in fear of both possibilities or live free of both possibilities. Having no use for unfounded fear, I personally much prefer the latter option. God, if it exists, is irrelevant. Any spiritual activity I perform is for my own benefit and for the good of those around me, never for the consideration of a possible being that couldn't be bothered to…

It could be argued by the religious that in some cases they did manifest(according to their beliefs), and there's actually an excess of copies of the rules if considering the amounts of the Quran or Bible printed.

Re: Should more of us be moving to live near friends?

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Post by simmanian »

rayiner wrote: post #453
simmanian wrote: post #434

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you asking this given what the parent comment described? Are you accusing them of lying or blowing things out of proportion? I'm truly, honestly happy that you have not experienced anything like what the parent comment described. But I grew up in west coast America and I still experienced a lot of casual racism. Park next to someone? They yell, "This ain't China, don't park so close." Walk home from school? S…

People don’t shout anything at me, racial or otherwise. Certainly not “1 in 20” strangers on the street. So I find OP’s story difficult to believe and likely lacking context. > Park next to someone? They yell, "This ain't China, don't park so close." Walk home from school? Students yell ching chong at me. Shit is messed. Is this “racism” or bad manners/people trying to get a rise out of you? Did that guy yell at you…

again, super happy for you. but i feel some people try to go out of their way to convince themselves that racism is not at play even when it clearly is, because it paints a picture where they are somehow "better" than those who experience hatred. the guy who yelled at me to park farther away, when I called him out on what he said, he walked up to me in an imposing manner and said, "so yeah, I can be a little racist, so what are you going to do, mr. china?" I'm not even chinese.

this is just an anecdote, and you don't have to believe what i say. but i think racism (against asians) is very real and many people are affected by it every day.

Re: Should more of us be moving to live near friends?

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Post by whiskiss »

CMCDragonkai wrote: post #437
llamaimperative wrote: post #414

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If you’ve lived within 20 minutes of a friend versus 2 minutes of a friend, it’d be immediately obvious how irrelevant “only 18 miles” and “within an hour” are. Someone 45 minutes away might as well require a flight, as far as I’m concerned

It's like that thing about radio waves. I proposed the inverse square law on friendship versus temporal distance.

I agree. You could say temporal distance out of sight squared = amount out of mind.

(I know that's not the real inverse square equation just having fun)

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