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Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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You are not alone in this sentiment. It is beyond the pale that the denizens of a 'hacker forum' are often so narrow-minded when it comes to engaging those who think outside of the personal zone of ideological preference. The same people who have been yammering about the importance of 'diversity' are dead set against diversity of opinion. Grow up, folks, get outside your comfort zone and engage some of those deplorab…

Hacker News' eventual death started the moment it joined the hysteria over the Lab Leak Theory. Since then it has trended more and more to be like Reddit, with ideological tribal concerns occupying an increasingly large mindshare. This drives away people who want to have earnest conversations in good faith, giving even more power to the ideologues. It will be a long death spiral but you can see it happening day by da…

I've genuinely never seen "hysteria" from the people talking about the lab leak theory. The closest I've seen is from people who were extremely keen for no one to mention the theory. Not because of some cover-up, but I think just because that was what everyone was telling everyone else to do, hysteria-style.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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> The study's authors make clear that the results do not indicate Tesla vehicles are inherently unsafe or have design flaws. In fact, Tesla vehicles are loaded with safety technology; the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) named the 2024 Model Y as a Top Safety Pick+ award winner, for example. Many of the other cars that ranked highly on the list have also been given high ratings for safety by the likes of…

My first thought was if mass got factored into it, but it looks like mass has already crept up pretty high for other cars. A Toyota Prius is about 3200 lbs and a Model 3 is about 4000 lbs or 3800 lbs for their lightest variant. My mental models were outdated and still imagined sedans as about one ton and change. While bigger not as significant a factor as I initially thought.

From my experience the model 3 also drove very different than other Teslas (in a good way). It was by far my favorite even being the cheapest.

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The list of deadliest cars is a mixture of compact cars and sports cars. Compact cars are less safe because they get obliterated in collisions with bigger vehicles. Sports cars are unsafe because drivers tend to drive them at high speeds and attempt dangerous cornering maneuvers, eg driving the Pacific Coastal Highway at high speeds. Teslas are faster than many sports cars, but in the case of the Model Y and Model X…

Not true at all - cars with more weight theoretically have a little more traction but also way more momentum.

Also your model 3 is much more comparable in weight to a normal car so it handles of course much better

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The last COVID stimulus package added from 1 to 4% to inflation, but that was transitory. The wider rise was largely due to other factors such as supply chain disruptions from the pandemic and Russia's invasion of Ukraine. The latter significantly raised oil prices worldwide which in turn raised costs for all kinds of things. Here's an article that covers a lot of the factors [1]. [1] https://www.poynter.org/fact-che…

A source with less partisan politics involved: https://mitsloan.mit.edu/ideas-made-to-matter/federal-spendi...

I trust a survey of economists over a random study. That study might be right, but it also might be wrong, and I don't have the expertise to say which.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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As expected – It’s not a vehicle design issue. It’s the driver behaviour and driving conditions.

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“Most of these vehicles received excellent safety ratings, performing well in crash tests at the IIHS and NHTSA, so it’s not a vehicle design issue” [1]

“The models on this list likely reflect a combination of driver behavior and driving conditions, leading to increased crashes and fatalities.” [1]

- Karl Brauer, iSeeCars Executive Analyst

[1] The 23 Most Dangerous Cars On The Road

https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024

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> A focused, alert driver I dislike how tesla kills situational awareness. It is the central touchscreen. The model 3 and y and cybertruck put everything there - both status and control. You have to look to the side to see the speed of the vehicle, and the gearshift is on the touchscreen. The S and X both retain a dashboard in front of you, but most of the controls moved to the touchscreen. And the removal of stalks…

I dislike how 99% of cars make you look down so far. Looking to the side as well isn't an issue, especially when my gaze is scanning my mirrors. By comparison, my older Prius has the speedometer at the base of the windshield super close to the road. It's simply better. I haven't tried a heads-up display, though.

I've had two cars now with head-up display info on the window. It shows speed, adaptive cruise control status, lane keeping, maximum speed, navigation info and warnings. I will definitely get it again on any future cars. It's so much easier than looking at the displays inside the car.

A small but well thought out safety future using the HUD is in the dark, when the car detects a pedestrian or cyclist on or moving into the road using the infrared camera it will show a yellow warning icon. Has shown me people walking in dark clothes on dark rural roads a few times far before I could see them myself. This is a video of the detection, mine doesn't have that spotlight, but shows the warning on the window instead: https://youtu.be/WpB8ZLGq7EE

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Trump is probably the first politician in history where supporters claim he isn’t going to do what he says he is going to do (“take Trump seriously, not literally!”) while his detractors claim that he is. It’s already a weird spot in history.

That's pretty common on all highly polarized topics. Happens all the time with stuff like democrat candidates and firearms seizures - supporters walking it back and detractors believing every word.

when was the last time this happened at the presidential level?

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Nobody needs to take notes, we’ve known what this is for a hundred years. We spent most of the last century trying to get rid of autocracy in various places, there’s entire libraries worth of books detailing this playbook at this point.

The good old autocracy that tries to get rid of autocratic policies and institutions. You can’t make this up.

autocracy is about concentration of power, correct. bureaucratic is not autocratic. it‘s the opposite. Removing checks and balances is a bad thing, yes.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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From the website:"the number of cars involved in a fatal crash were normalized by the total number of vehicle miles driven" They assume every car drives the average number of miles. Of course a CR-V is going to score high, since they likely drive more than an average number of miles. A 911 on the other hand probably drives a small fraction of the average. This study is fairly low quality. The IHHS list 13.3 fatalitie…

Isn't that the other way around?

This is fatalities per 10**X miles.

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