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Jeff Bezos killed Washington Post endorsement of Kamala Harris

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Re: Jeff Bezos killed Washington Post endorsement of Kamala Harris

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Post by smsm42 »

zmmmmm wrote: post #312
Molitor5901 wrote: post #11

To play Devils Advocate for a moment: Why do we need, or even want, a newspaper to endorse a President? How does it not undermine a paper's journalistic ethics to be neutral and fair?

Endorsements are published by the editorial section which is specifically separated from the rest of the newspaper so to not undermine the neutrality of the journalism in the other sections. Opinion and analysis has always been part of news publications, and plays an accepted role in adding layers of interpretation onto the raw "facts" that is crucial in making those facts interpretable by readers who aren't expert i…

The idea that editorial team has some kind of expertise, unavailable to general population, that allows them ecxlusive ability to properly understand current events, seems to have no factual support at all. They are professionals in giving their opinions, it doesn't make their opinions be better that anybody else's. Experience suggests they are usually worse.

Re: Jeff Bezos killed Washington Post endorsement of Kamala Harris

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Post by calf »

mandevil wrote: post #445
calf wrote: post #431

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What backwater high school did you go to that had you study creationism of all religions? We never covered propaganda in science, in Canada.

It never made it into science class, but only because institutions had (and have) the power to set rules and not be neutral on important issues of the day. It was our choice at the museum that received tax payer funding to not be neutral that kept creationism out. That's picking a side. And that is absolutely essential is my point, because the truth is, unfortunately, not neutral, and we all need to do our best to fi…

Well said. There's are several sayings, such as "neutrality is the both-sideism fallacy", which is one of the most obvious critical thinking examples that humanities students are taught early on, but it is not so easy to convey this to people without exposure to these ideas.

Re: Jeff Bezos killed Washington Post endorsement of Kamala Harris

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Post by zztop44 »

drukenemo wrote: post #186
neves wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First, they are never neutral. Second: this is what happens in Brazil. Everybody gets angry because each news outlet defends its own conservative candidate.

Are you saying that the largest media complex in Brazil, Globo, supports conservative candidates? Where and how?

Is this sarcasm? Globo has never missed an opportunity to be virulently anti-PT.

Re: Jeff Bezos killed Washington Post endorsement of Kamala Harris

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Post by xyst »

A single man issued an edict and ended decades of precedent/history. All for the sake of the mighty dollar and ensuring his multibillion dollar fortune doesn’t take a tumble by a 5-10B in the _possibility_ the wrong candidate gets elected.

Everything is awful about this. What would it take WaPo away from this horrible person?

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Post by chairmansteve »

wordofx wrote: post #427
zmmmmm wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Endorsements are published by the editorial section which is specifically separated from the rest of the newspaper so to not undermine the neutrality of the journalism in the other sections. Opinion and analysis has always been part of news publications, and plays an accepted role in adding layers of interpretation onto the raw "facts" that is crucial in making those facts interpretable by readers who aren't expert i…

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Re: Jeff Bezos killed Washington Post endorsement of Kamala Harris

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Post by rightbyte »

mmooss wrote: post #403

I don't think there could be a more powerful endorsement of Trump so far, much more than if Bezos's paper actually printed an endorsement of him (which would have been laughed at): It's a signal of Trump as extraordinarily powerful, a stronger signal than probably anything else I've seen. That boosts his image among suppoters - remember power is what he sells - and will intimidate many, many more into complying. What…

I don't get why there is this assumption that Bezos would not just be supporting him.

> have bent the knee

This sounds a bit like "thedonald" nomenclature?

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Post by seizethecheese »

culi wrote: post #413
lapcat wrote: post #296

Newspapers publish opinions for the same reason that they publish comic strips: people want to read them. Readers seek them out. Newspapers are a business and have to give their customers what they want. The problematic aspect here is that the current business owner, Jeff Bezos, has a conflict of interest. Bezos is making a bad business decision for The Washington Post, sacrificing it and losing readers for the sake…

Really this is a lesson in why the corporate news model is doomed to fail. Upping my contributions to serious investigative journalist organizations like ProPublica

I disagree. This is the exception rather than the rule. The more corporate, the more likely to give the people what they want.

Re: Jeff Bezos killed Washington Post endorsement of Kamala Harris

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Post by chairmansteve »

daft_pink wrote: post #34

Is anyone really changing their mind based on some newspaper endorsement? I’m pretty sure everyone knows who they’re gonna vote for at this point.

Probably nobody would have changed their mind.

But it exposes the fiction that Bezos allows editorial freedom at the WaPo.

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Post by xyst »

dotnet00 wrote: post #257

I like this trend of taking neutral positions that seems to be picking up again, although the timing for this doesn't look good. Just as how universities are starting to adopt neutrality, so should news outlets.

So if quality news outlets no longer provide journalism when we need it most (breaking down candidate platforms, keeping candidates honest, …). Then it shifts to a variety of unverified sources (ie, TikTok, Fb, Telegram, et al) for those that couldn’t find anything credible.

The population already struggles with determining fact from fiction. Taking away the power from journalists because a _billionaire_ wants to ensure his wealth remains high.

Re: Jeff Bezos killed Washington Post endorsement of Kamala Harris

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Post by xkbarkar »

Cannot in any way understand why this is an actual issue. Sheesh If more newspapers would stay out of endorsing political parties we would live in a better world.

Frankly leftist newspaper propaganda has done little but make the rightist ( especially the ones with a racist agenda ) political parties expand massively.

Every election i. almost any european country is showing this trend.

Why on earth are you all flaming this? Because it means its a hidden Trump support? Kamala is immensly unpopular, outside of all the glam endorsements. She is no Obama thats for sure. How abour adressing the root cause of that?

Wow I wish every newspaper was properly unbiased.

tldr I think you are all idiots for outrage over lack of proper political bias in a newspaper.

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