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Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective

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Could not agree more. Lex seems like a nice guy, but he's the worst interviewer ( I stopped watching him 2 years ago so maybe he has changed for the better )

Nope. Unfortunately he has veered to far into political slant for everything. Mostly towards the right.

Yeah I stopped listening to him when Covid started and he started spewing misinformation despite having seemingly zero understanding about medicine or biology.

Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective

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On the contrary, the mainstream eats any slop you put infront of it as long as it follows the correct form - one needs only look at cable news - the super niche content is that which requires deep thinking and novel insights. Or to put another way, I've heard much better ideas on a podcast made by undergrad CS students than on Lex Fridman.

Cable news viewership has been rapidly dwindling.

Has it really though?

https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/fact-sheet/cable-news...

Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective

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Amazing product!

My annoyance is that if I imagine each host, they tend to go in and out of knowing everything and then knowing nothing about that topic. I think it might be better to have a host and a subject matter expert guest or something like that.

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IMO it seems almost epistemologically impossible that LLM's following anything even resembling the current techniques will ever be able to comfortably out-perform humans at genuinely creative endeavours because they, almost by definition, cannot be "exceptional". If you think about how an LLM works, it's effectively going "given a certain input, what is the statistically average output that I should provide, given my…

IMO the problem facing us is not that computers will directly outperform people on the quality of what they produce, but that they will be used to generate an enormous quantity of inferior crap that is just good enough that filtering it out is impossible. Not replacement, but ecosystem collapse.

We have already trashed the internet and really human communication with SEO blogspam brought even lower by influencers desperately scrambling for their two minutes of attention. I could actually see quality on average rising, since it will now be easy to churn out higher quality content, even more easily than the word salad I have been wading through for at least the last 15 years.

I am not saying it's not a sad state of affairs. I am just saying we have been there for a while and the floor might be raised, a bit at least.

Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective

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One of my favorite ChatGPT uses is voice chat during long drives as a pseudo, albeit interactive, podcast to learn about various technical topics at the edge of my knowledge base. This podcast generation is pretty amazing, but hopefully they make the "competency level" of the hosts tunable. One thing I love is being able to guide ChatGPT to the technical level I'm looking for. Maybe I'm just bad at finding podcasts,…

Lex Fridman gets the best guests and asks the worst questions. I’d love to be able to tune up the technical level of those interviews…

He improved a lot in my opinion. Most episodes are much better now and I appreciate the great guests and lengthy episodes (not that I have time to listen to a 3 hour episode, I usually listen in bed).

I don't expect him to ask very technical questions. It's not that kind of a podcast and he will lose a lot of listeners if it becomes too technical.

Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective

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NotebookLM's is incredibly good at generating the affect and structure of a quality podcast. This is in-line with all art, music, and video created by LMM at the moment. They are imitating a structure and affect, the quality of the content is largely irrelevant. I think the interesting thing is that most people don't really care, and AI is not to blame for that. Most books published today have the affect of a book, b…

I think and hope that you're wrong. There's always been cheese, and there's a lot of it now. But there is still a market for top-notch insight. For example, Perun. This guy delivers an hourlong presentation on (mostly) the Ukraine-Russia war and its pure quality. Insights, humour, excellent delivery, from what seems to be a military-focused economist/analyst/consultant. We're a while away from some bot taking this ki…

How many people can generate top notch content? Not many.

Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective

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> I know I'm not the first to say this, but I think what's going on is that these AI things can produce results that are very mid. A sort of extra medium. Experts beat modern LLMs but modern llms are better than a gap. I've seen people manage to wrangle tools like Midjourney to get results that surpass extra medium. And most human artists barely manage to reach medium quality too. The real danger of AI is that, as a…

AI looks like it will commoditise intellectual excellence. It is hard to see how that would end up making the world more mediocre. It'd be like the ancient Romans speculating that cars will make us less fit and therefore cities will be less impressive because we can't lift as much. That isn't at all how it played out, we just build cities with machines too and need a lot less workers in construction.

> It'd be like the ancient Romans speculating that cars will make us less fit and therefore cities will be less impressive because we can't lift as much. That isn't at all how it played out

Isn’t this exactly how it played out?

Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective

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I hope they add a feature to tune frequency of the word "like." The hosts in the example were using it multiple times per second.

But more seriously, I suppose there will probably soon be a flood of AI-generated podcasts, if this hasn't happened already. Pick a niche but not too niche topic, feed in a bunch of articles on it, and boom you've got season one. Given the quality, I could see one actually catching on...

Also this would be handy for getting listening practice in other languages. Makes it much easier to find content that you find interesting.

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Sure, and it wasn't the right thing to do, especially if it was from an independent artist. I haven't in well over a decade. There's also a canyon of a difference between that, and if I had re-sold their product, at scale, effectively putting the artists out of business. I'd love to explode copyright, but unfortunately, our society has no mechanism for compensating the people that make this valuable work without it,…

> There's also a canyon of a difference between that... effectively putting the artists out of business. There is a direct line between music piracy you did in the past and the status quo of Spotify paying millidollars to artists today. Another POV is, find me musicians who prefer a world with Internet piracy compared to one without.

You're arguing about something I'm not. I completely agree that what I did was wrong, and to boot, I stopped pirating music as soon as online music stores like itunes popped up despite being an impoverished line cook.

That has absolutely no impact, at all, on my fitness to criticize this current wrong.

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> The reason so much writing, podcasting, and music is vulnerable to AI disruption is that quality has already become secondary. Commercial creative workers are vulnerable because there's a billions-of-dollars industry effort to copy their professional output and compete with them selling cheap knock-offs. I see this sort of convenient resignation all the time in the tech crowd... "creative workers only can blame the…

When I was younger, piracy was justified with similar tech folks arguments: "Information wants to be free", "Serves them right for controlling their content in a way that inconveniences me", "If I own a copy, the content is mine to share".

And I used to be right there with them until I realized it was entirely an entirely self-serving way to justify not paying for shit. (I'm not saying it is for everybody, or that everybody's situation mimics mine-- but I was honest enough to admit that's what it was it was for me.) I don't like Adobe's subscription plan, but I was f-ing poor for my younger decades and there's no way in hell I could afford paying a month's rent for photoshop, but $10/mo? I signed up immediately. Also, rather than just using BT whenever I felt like getting an album, I started making deliberate decisions about what albums I wanted and bought them on iTunes when I learned about it in the mid-aughts. Sure the lock-in and DRM suck, but I was happy to pay for the convenience. For indie bands, I still will buy their stuff on Bandcamp even if I can stream it just because they add value to my life and not being legally compelled to pay them isn't the same as not being morally obligated to compensate people whose labor you voluntarily benefit from. I haven't pirated software in decades. If it's not FOSS and I want it, I'll buy it. It's absolutely bananas how many developers make a fat living off of making commercial software but pretend to be radical class warriors when its time to bust out the credit card for anything that isn't physical.
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