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Re: Twitter/X will let people you've blocked see your posts

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Post by franciscop »

isodev wrote: post #435
franciscop wrote: post #409

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In twitter "public" is not a label for a specific type of audience, it's the name of common use of a work being public/generally shared with the world. The feed/timeline you are referring sounds awfully similar to Facebook/Instagram/etc which are notorious for being walled gardens where what you say it's true.

I wasn't thinking of Meta's products, just how social networks are supposed to work. Leon trying to tweak things is just not acceptable (not to mention dangerous... blocking is there for a reason).

Who is Leon? Twitter was from the beginning a "micro-publishing platform", more akin to a newspapper with subscribers than to other social networks like Facebook.

Re: Twitter/X will let people you've blocked see your posts

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Post by aeternum »

Mashimo wrote: post #324
zzo38computer wrote: post #278

I do not use The X Formerly Known As Twitter, but if I write a message that is intended to be public (regardless of what service it is on), I would intend that people I had blocked are still able to see the message (and make copies of it) if they wish; I would block them because I don't want to see their messages and I do not want to allow them to send messages to me. I would also not want the number of users who blo…

Reddit does it similar. When someone blocks you, you can't see their comments. You can't even respond to other people who wrote on your threads. For example if you would block someone, they could not reply on this/my post here, because it's based on yours. Helps things from escalating I guess.

It seems that blocking wields way too much power in that case. It explains some of the behavior on reddit.

You can use it as a way to evict people from the discussion.

Re: Twitter/X will let people you've blocked see your posts

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Post by daveguy »

dwoldrich wrote: post #327
daveguy wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That particular phrase is related to the separation of immigrant children from their families during the Trump administration. Previously children were only put in custody if they were unaccompanied. The Trump admin did it to all families crossing. In separating kids from parents they were also unable to reunite hundreds of families.

I only brought up the "Kids in Cages" meme thing because it was one of those stories my news feed did not feature at all. So I was interested in where people get those sorts of charged news items from because I'd like to learn how these operations unfold. My reaction once I understood the issue was, "what if the 'family members' of the kids were human traffickers? Maybe that was the reason for the policy change to al…

The point is they separated all kids from all families and did not track the families. Crossers suspected of human trafficking were always separated. This policy was based on the racist garbage assumption that most of the people filing through were criminals. Which is proven false.

It was a humanitarian crisis in itself.

Re: Twitter/X will let people you've blocked see your posts

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

swiftcoder wrote: post #382
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #332

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The point of blocking is to prevent harassment, no? No, the point is "I don't like this person for whatever reason so I don't want to see their posts". "I don't want this person to see my public posts" can be done by making an account private, or not posting the posts publicly. Otherwise it opens the door to trollish behavior like reply-and-block-to-prevent-retort. To stop harassment, reach out to the platform, assum…

> To stop harassment, reach out to the platform, assuming it cares about harassment, and if it doesn't, contact law enforcement, or file a lawsuit Your wording suggests that you seem to be aware that none of these avenues actually work in the real world, which is precisely why platforms have the ability to block.

> Your wording suggests that you seem to be aware that none of these avenues actually work in the real world, which is precisely why platforms have the ability to block.

You may personally infer that, but the precise reason platforms have the ability to block someone is, "I don't like this person for whatever reason so I don't want to see their posts or replies". Maybe you don't want to see their posts or replies because you feel they are harassing. Blocking/ignoring them stops you from seeing them. It shouldn't affect anyone else's ability to see their posts or replies to you.

Honestly, in what other public, online discussion forum can anybody without admin powers, arbitrarily and unilaterally ban others from publicly replying to public posts?

Re: Twitter/X will let people you've blocked see your posts

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Post by swiftcoder »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #454
swiftcoder wrote: post #382

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> To stop harassment, reach out to the platform, assuming it cares about harassment, and if it doesn't, contact law enforcement, or file a lawsuit Your wording suggests that you seem to be aware that none of these avenues actually work in the real world, which is precisely why platforms have the ability to block.

> Your wording suggests that you seem to be aware that none of these avenues actually work in the real world, which is precisely why platforms have the ability to block. You may personally infer that, but the precise reason platforms have the ability to block someone is, "I don't like this person for whatever reason so I don't want to see their posts or replies" . Maybe you don't want to see their posts or replies be…

Having worked at a fairly prominent social media company, that is not why social media platforms have block functionality. Mute, functionality, yes, absolutely.

Blocking is typically a much stronger remedy, aimed at curtailing targeted harassment.

Re: Twitter/X will let people you've blocked see your posts

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Post by MeetingsBrowser »

hurleybird wrote: post #298
MeetingsBrowser wrote: post #294

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What on earth is “malicious blocking”? I cannot think of a case where an entity decides they don’t want someone to see their tweets “maliciously”. The ability to control who does and does not see your content seems like the bare minimum for a social media platform.

You can precisely control "your content" with subscriptions. Otherwise, "your content" is intermingled with everyone else's. Content is probably the wrong word. Conversation is a better one. Malicious blocking is blocking a non-troll as an anti-social form of aggression. It could be: "I block people who disagree with me because I know it makes them angry." or "I block people because I get a lot of interaction, and no…

So malicious blocking is when the one doing the blocking is trolling?

Is it really better if you are able to continue viewing “conversation” from someone who is acting maliciously towards you?

Social media is like a relationship. If either person decides they don’t want to be in the relationship, the healthiest thing is for both to leave the relationship.

It doesn’t make sense for one person to leave but the other person to stay

Re: Twitter/X will let people you've blocked see your posts

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Post by maxlin »

_djo_ wrote: post #311
GenerocUsername wrote: post #293

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This. There is no such thing as blocked on a public platform. Everyone has always known viewing the site incognito allows you to see blocked content.

You're not able to view profiles when logged out.

You can make alt accounts easily enough, there's no draconian "new internet" rules like forced SMS verification. I created a few for different reasons and haven't had trouble with them

Re: Twitter/X will let people you've blocked see your posts

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Post by maxlin »

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #314

Bluesky's Twitter account is appropriately crowing about their superior blocking features: https://twitter.com/bluesky/status/1838292181909672312 : > damn that's crazy. Anyway on bluesky, users have named the blocking function "the nuclear block" because it's such a powerful tool to reduce harassment and dogpiling. You should have control over your experience online.

>appropriately crowing

Well that's a subjective statement if there ever was. Steering in to polarizing and insulating people from actual honest public discourse isn't progress.

Re: Twitter/X will let people you've blocked see your posts

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Post by maxlin »

sph wrote: post #334
renewiltord wrote: post #326

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Bluesky is fortunately a honeypot where crazy people all flocked to so that they could post predictions on when Twitter would collapse (highest option: 2 weeks). I think the most effective tool on bluesky is being on bluesky so no one can read what one says because you’re constantly blocking each other even though everyone’s got the same views.

Bluesky is the weirdest echo chamber of white liberal queer Americans, it feels like entering a museum or a theme park where everyone is the same, posts the same things, and agrees with each other to demonise the same things. With Twitter being the cesspool of humanity—but with a ton of variety and opinions—I don't know which is worse, so I use neither.

X actually has both. But I've seen people call places "cesspools" even if one from a thousand members is considered "undesirable".

You probably should recalibrate your senses here, or you'll never find anything "balanced".

And just stating the obvious but your feed is built by the algorithm and the defaults which it shows have little weight after you find relevant people to you to follow

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