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Meta cancels high-end mixed reality headset after Apple Vision Pro struggles

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Re: Meta cancels high-end mixed reality headset after Apple Vision Pro struggles

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Post by gpm »

talldayo wrote: post #442
Eduard wrote: post #184

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it's likely dumber than that: bait and switch. Facebook had done this before: they gave third parties rich access to their data via Graph API, which in turn helped Facebook to grow. Once their social graph growth phase began to slow down, Facebook severely cut off data access.

I have an Oculus Quest 1. How are they going to update it to stop supporting sideloading when they've stopped supporting it officially altogether?

They don't have to. If this market pans out for them:

1. Almost every VR device is not yet sold. It doesn't matter what you can do with existing devices because they are a tiny fraction of the market.

2. Devices are going to improve drastically. No one is going to be using a VR device from today except as a retro computing device anyways.

Re: Meta cancels high-end mixed reality headset after Apple Vision Pro struggles

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Post by 999900000999 »

talldayo wrote: post #443
999900000999 wrote: post #173

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Normal people don't know how to side load. The 5% that actually care are power users, these are the folks who buy every iteration, develop for the device, etc.

I'm not a power-user though. I use a 3-generation-old Oculus Quest 1 that doesn't get first-party official updates anymore. Am I really supposed to expect Meta to push an update to a depreciated platform to disable a feature?

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I agree with you, I actually use Android since I prefer to be able to install what I want.

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Post by Flop7331 »

what wrote: post #260
vlovich123 wrote: post #256

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The fidelity of a real local $1000 experience vs a fake one is a lot different even if you can’t travel as far.

That doesn’t really answer the question. What real local experience can you have for $1000 that isn’t in your back yard?

A lot of "meanwhile in Europe" replies here, but even within the United States there are great places you can fly to pretty cheap. Or make a road trip out of it.

Yeah, you've gotta budget it, but it's not impossible to get somewhere, have a great time, and get back for under $1000.

Re: Meta cancels high-end mixed reality headset after Apple Vision Pro struggles

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Post by numpad0 »

nox101 wrote: post #64
numpad0 wrote: post #62

Isn't it simple why AVP isn't moving? They don't treat anime-loli-porn content, chiefly VRChat, as first class citizens, if they support those at all. Tons of people have bought and are buying Quest 2 and 3 as well as its competitors with sole intent of using it with VRChat. Don't you guys all remember that iPhoneOS had YouTube since version 1.0, before it even had App Store? Where would you think iOS would have been…

$3500 is also a big reason. Why pay that when I can get a Quest2 for $199 new for the anime-loli-porn content?

That must be one of big reasons, but doesn't explain why AVP had regressed into the fanciest possible privacy filter for laptops.

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Post by vishnugupta »

fy20 wrote: post #401
qeternity wrote: post #349

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They want to own a successful app store.

Back in the day ~2010, Facebook was the app store. Farmville et al were more popular than the top games on mobile at the time. They really should have pushed for a mobile version of it, as the lack of that is what killed it.

I fondly remember those days. It feels like such a missed opportunity.

Re: Meta cancels high-end mixed reality headset after Apple Vision Pro struggles

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Post by numpad0 »

55555 wrote: post #348
kridsdale1 wrote: post #288

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The coomers are also nearly entirely responsible for the success of Home video Payments on the Internet Streaming video HD streaming and downloadable video The Patreon style business model

I wonder if you could almost add image-heavy social media to the list. I think the amount of tiktok and IG that boils down to looking at hot people is probably shocking.

cough tumblr cough

Re: Meta cancels high-end mixed reality headset after Apple Vision Pro struggles

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Post by giobox »

Terretta wrote: post #437
giobox wrote: post #159

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We can’t even get people to routinely turn a webcam on at most companies existing meetings. Even internally at Meta and Apple, staff aren’t exactly falling over themselves to take meetings in headsets right now. The idea people will be strapping computers to their faces for meetings will “take off in a huge way” any time soon is extremely far fetched for me.

> We can’t even get people to routinely turn a webcam on at most companies existing meetings. AVP doesn't need the webcam on. "Inside" it, your avatar could be anywhere wearing whatever, no bed pillows, PJs, or family creeping not-so-stealthily behind you.

Yes - it’s even more intrusive - you have to strap a computer to your face instead of merely sitting in front of it. That was the entire point I’m making.

The barrier to using a webcam is already lower, and people routinely refuse to do it.

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Post by Flop7331 »

Towaway69 wrote: post #358
davkan wrote: post #346

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I think there’s lower hanging fruit for reducing carbon emissions than swapping the annual family vacation for a bunch of VR headsets. By all means if you’re willing to make that sacrifice be my guest, but I can’t imagine experiencing Venice through a headset.

> lower hanging fruit for reducing carbon emissions Taking a bike (when possible) instead of a car, for example. I think many things that we can do fail because of our collective convenience: why take public transport when I can have my private space in a car? There might be low hanging fruits, but there is human convenience to take into account. Making potential low hanging fruit become had to implement. > I can’t i…

> experiencing a Venice during the Renaissance period using a VR device

That's not a holiday. That's a game.

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Post by vel0city »

what wrote: post #251
staplers wrote: post #232

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until the price range becomes below $1000 or so there’s virtually no market. Probably because it's cheaper to fly and literally be somewhere and actually enjoy it rather than exist there for a minute or two and then get bored.

Where can you vacation for $1000?

Spend a week camping at a state park nearby with the family. About $40 in transportation costs round trip for the whole family. Maybe $200 in food/snacks/other consumables. $70 for the yearly parks pass+ $15/night for campsite = $175. If I don't already have camping supplies, I can get decently kitted out for the family for this kind of camping for like $400. It'll last me a bunch of trips but let's assume you've got nothing. So that's like $815 for the first time, $415 every other time.
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