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The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by Animats »

SoftTalker wrote: post #399
Animats wrote: post #239

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> The mad rush to as quickly abolish religious practices in mainstream U.S. culture without any form of societal replacement is puzzling to me. In the US, it's been a slow process over 35 years, since 1991.[1] England and Wales are much further along - believers are below 50%. But Islam is on the way up in the UK, at 6%. The high-intensity religions, the ones that require religious activity once a day or more, seem t…

I'd say longer than that. I'd say religious participation in the USA has been declining since at least the 1970s.

See the chart in the article linked. The line is reasonably flat from 1972 to 1991, and then starts to climb linearly.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by watwut »

tivert wrote: post #402
StopTheWorld wrote: post #145

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Professor Michael Rosenfeld at Stanford does research on how heterosexual couples in the US meet ( https://web.stanford.edu/~mrosenfe/ ). In 1940, over 50% met via friends or family. About 36% met at school. In 2021, about 20% met via friends or family. About 10% met at school. Over 50% met online. So the majority of US couples are now meeting via profit-maximizing corporations. He has a 2019 paper on this (and it ha…

> Over 50% met online. Is that actually true? I read something recently (in an recent article in a major publication about how online dating sucks and people are getting tired of it), that the proportion is much lower. Like people put all this money and effort into dating apps, but must successful relationships still form outside of them.

Online is not necessary the same as dating app. It can be any online group where people have an in person meetup once in a while.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by lovethevoid »

marcosdumay wrote: post #209
vegadw wrote: post #165

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What frustrates me is that, it seems (Read as: the following is just my vibe) that the majority of 3rd places left are religious in nature, but I, personally, don't want to be religious or raise children that are. There are some options, of course, but they're limited and often of poor quality, at least locally. Libraries are trying to adapt to fill this gap, and maker spaces spring up but most don't have funding to…

Religious places didn't use to be indoctrinating. Nowadays they mostly are, because religions have to justify them economically. My guess is that "place" have become a way too expensive good, that people just can't afford to share for free.

Religious places were always indoctrinating, they were just the norm for such a long time people didn't recognize such. It was just the thing you did.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by ponector »

TylerE wrote: post #65
ponector wrote: post #14

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That is not true. Many things are much better now than 20 years ago. Not mentioning even poor western people are living life in better conditions than the richest people lived 300+ years ago.

Things in isolation may be better, but the totality is far worse.

Rather opposite: thighs in isolation may be worse, but the totality is better than ever.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by watwut »

goethes_kind wrote: post #183
kelseyfrog wrote: post #82

Well, yes, we've doubled down on mediating social interactions through economic relationships. Most of the interactions adults have in their lives are with or in the framing of economic relations. Homes, are being invaded with tablets and mobile devices which bring along with them framing interactions as economic relations through ad and consumer frames. Workplaces are inherently settings of economic relations, and t…

I'm in my 30s but I'm feeling this so hard. Growing up we used to have these kid/youth centres that were run by local Catholic organizations. We used to hang out there after school. Ostensibly the point was that there'd be 30 minutes of catechism doctrine, but we didn't really care about that. To us it was just a the place where everyone would be. I miss that so much. A place where you can just go and meet people you…

Are you saying that a group where everyone has to be a catholic is somehow diverse?

Also, nothing will ever be like the stuff we had when we were kids. Because in all our minds, that is the norm.

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Post by watwut »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #418
HideousKojima wrote: post #350

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I used to go out not-drinking with my coworkers (I've been a teetotaler my entire life). The place we went to had free refills for sodas so I downed half a dozen glasses of Fanta while my coworkers were paying $3-$5 a beer. Seems ridiculous to me how much people pay for alcohol.

Some portion of alcohol prices are a barrier to entry to create the desired crowd. You might not want to attract the type of person looking to get shitfaced for cheap. Usually, non alcoholic non tap water is not way cheaper, especially if it is a “mocktail”. Of course, some portion is also high rents. And I have never seen a restaurant or bar outside of Costco with free refills for anything other than tap water thoug…

But if you have to pay an expensive entry into that space, you will naturally limit who will go there and how often. And I do not just means "excludes people who get shitfaced". I mean "excludes people who are conscious about spending money or simply do not have super high salaries".

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Post by ta_1138 »

flappyeagle wrote: post #277
autoexecbat wrote: post #253

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They probably have some internal churn targets to hit, else people will start to figure out that the app isn't worth their time and try a different one

It creates a much worse problem actually. Why have a committed relationship when you can always press a button to look at hotties and have a pull at the sex slot machine? If they design the system right, their audience just won't marry or have long term stable relationships

Only the people that have really huge success rates, which is very small, and gets way worse as one ages. Have you seen the swipe stats from many Tinder users? What you describe is not a reality for even the top 1% of hetero male users.

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Post by [deleted] »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #244
vegadw wrote: post #165

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What frustrates me is that, it seems (Read as: the following is just my vibe) that the majority of 3rd places left are religious in nature, but I, personally, don't want to be religious or raise children that are. There are some options, of course, but they're limited and often of poor quality, at least locally. Libraries are trying to adapt to fill this gap, and maker spaces spring up but most don't have funding to…

Libraries are a great place to be, enjoy, learn, and relax, but a terrible place to meet new people. You're not really supposed to talk, and most people don't go there expecting to interact with a stranger or strike up a conversation.

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Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by watwut »

lovethevoid wrote: post #450
lo_zamoyski wrote: post #412

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Consider the following: 1. The chief unit and source of community is the family. The married couple, the family, have been deteriorating for some time. It shouldn't be surprising that the consequences would spread outward. Societies are a manner of extended family organized according to the principle of subsidiary. 2. American culture especially is hyperindividualistic. It conceives of people not as persons, but as i…

> The chief unit and source of community is the family. This view stems from Judeo-Christian beliefs. The very invention of marriage was a separation of community, where men wanted ownership of women and their children. I also wonder if you're fully aware of how much you've attempted to repackage the original sin in your comment.

Which communitarian society is less sexist? Best afaik, all the community minded societies are significantly more sexist. The individualism is one of the things that makes it easier to push and argue against it.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by the_gipsy »

lo_zamoyski wrote: post #412
goethes_kind wrote: post #183

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I'm in my 30s but I'm feeling this so hard. Growing up we used to have these kid/youth centres that were run by local Catholic organizations. We used to hang out there after school. Ostensibly the point was that there'd be 30 minutes of catechism doctrine, but we didn't really care about that. To us it was just a the place where everyone would be. I miss that so much. A place where you can just go and meet people you…

Consider the following: 1. The chief unit and source of community is the family. The married couple, the family, have been deteriorating for some time. It shouldn't be surprising that the consequences would spread outward. Societies are a manner of extended family organized according to the principle of subsidiary. 2. American culture especially is hyperindividualistic. It conceives of people not as persons, but as i…

You talk and sermon awfully much against individualism, shouldn't you quit being online and do some family or society work? Don't tell me you're done already, that would be hypocritical.
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