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Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

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Post by redbell » Thu, May 23, 2024, 8:04 AM UTC

The amount [and scale] of practices, chaos and controversies caused by OpenAI since ChatGPT was released are "on par" with the powerful products it has built since.. in a negative way!

These are the hottest controversial events so far, in a chronological order:

  OpenAI's deviation from its original mission (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34979981).
  The Altman's Saga (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38309611).
  The return of Altman (within a week) (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38375239).
  Musk vs. OpenAI (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39559966). 
  The departure of high-profile employees (Karpathy: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39365935 ,Sutskever: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40361128).
  "Why can’t former OpenAI employees talk?" (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40393121).

Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

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Post by nielsole » Thu, May 23, 2024, 8:25 AM UTC

hollowpython wrote: post #446

mpweiher wrote: post #432

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always respond with "if it's never enforced, then you'll be fine with me taking it out" Then I strike the offending passage out on both copies of the contract, sign and hand it back to them. Your move. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Do you really do this, and is striking out a line of a contract binding?

I've seen legal departments redlining drafts of a contract repeatedly until an agreement had been reached. The final contract still contained the red lines.

Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

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Post by gdiamos » Thu, May 23, 2024, 8:27 AM UTC

redbell wrote: post #451

The amount [and scale] of practices, chaos and controversies caused by OpenAI since ChatGPT was released are "on par" with the powerful products it has built since.. in a negative way! These are the hottest controversial events so far , in a chronological order: OpenAI's deviation from its original mission (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34979981). The Altman's Saga (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3830961…

Why is AI so dramatic? I just watched mean girls and this is worse.

Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

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Post by darkwater » Thu, May 23, 2024, 8:30 AM UTC

hollowpython wrote: post #446

mpweiher wrote: post #432

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always respond with "if it's never enforced, then you'll be fine with me taking it out" Then I strike the offending passage out on both copies of the contract, sign and hand it back to them. Your move. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Do you really do this, and is striking out a line of a contract binding?

Why not? A labor contract is a 2-ways street. If the company doesn't like the new version, they will not sign it and not hire you.

Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

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Post by gdiamos » Thu, May 23, 2024, 8:37 AM UTC

WiSaGaN wrote: post #288

Havoc wrote: post #122

I find it hard to believe that Sam didn’t know about something that draconian in something so sensitive as NDAs that affects to equity. He’s not exactly new to this whole startup thing and getting equity right is not a small part of that

He was obviously lying, and he probably also knew people would not believe it. I just don't know why he still chose to do it.

Founders/CEOs don't lose track of equity or contracts around it. Every 1/10 of a percent is tracked and debated with investors.

Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

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Post by pompino » Thu, May 23, 2024, 8:41 AM UTC

zniturah wrote: post #323

Looking forward for a document leak about openai using YouTube data for training their models. When asked if they use it, Murali (CTO) told she doesn't know which makes you believe that for 99% they are using it.

I am surprised to see a pro-copyright take on HN :)

Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

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Post by pompino » Thu, May 23, 2024, 8:44 AM UTC

cambaceres wrote: post #418

> this is on me and one of the few times i've been genuinely embarrassed running openai This statement seems to suggest that feeling embarrassed by one's actions is a normal part of running a company. In reality, the expectation is that a CEO should strive to lead with integrity and foresight to avoid situations that lead to embarrassment.

>This statement seems to suggest that feeling embarrassed by one's actions is a normal part of running a company.

It suggests humans makes mistakes and sometimes own up to them - which is a good thing.

> CEO should strive to lead with integrity and foresight to avoid situations that lead to embarrassment.

There is no human who does this , or are you saying turn the CEO role over to AI? :)

Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

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Post by suroot » Thu, May 23, 2024, 8:45 AM UTC

ayewo wrote: post #443

suroot wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait til you hear what happened to Michael O’Church.

Not sure what you are trying to get across. This is the final comment [1] that got Michael’s account banned. You can see dang’s reply [2] directly underneath his which says: > We've banned this account. 1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10017538 2: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10019003

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Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

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Post by l0b0 » Thu, May 23, 2024, 8:47 AM UTC

gdiamos wrote: post #453

redbell wrote: post #451

The amount [and scale] of practices, chaos and controversies caused by OpenAI since ChatGPT was released are "on par" with the powerful products it has built since.. in a negative way! These are the hottest controversial events so far , in a chronological order: OpenAI's deviation from its original mission (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34979981). The Altman's Saga (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3830961…

Why is AI so dramatic? I just watched mean girls and this is worse.

I would like to answer that, but OpenAI could probably spend $100,000 per detractor to crush them and still laugh all the way to the bank.

Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

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Post by jnsaff2 » Thu, May 23, 2024, 8:54 AM UTC

gdiamos wrote: post #453

redbell wrote: post #451

The amount [and scale] of practices, chaos and controversies caused by OpenAI since ChatGPT was released are "on par" with the powerful products it has built since.. in a negative way! These are the hottest controversial events so far , in a chronological order: OpenAI's deviation from its original mission (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34979981). The Altman's Saga (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3830961…

Why is AI so dramatic? I just watched mean girls and this is worse.

Money. The hype is really strong, the hype might even be justified, insane amounts of money flow in. There is a land grab going on. Blood is in the water, all the sharks are circling.