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Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by trendoid »

zooq_ai wrote: post #226
Aaronstotle wrote: post #220

I won't touch VR/AR until the technology progresses to the point where its nealry indistinguishable from regular sunglasses/eye-glasses. I have yet to use any VR device that made me want to purchase it, its all felt insanely gimmicky, so far the only time a headset seems nice is on a plane ride. I can see the potential, still seems a long way off imo.

Feel sorry that you feel that way. There are many experiences (especially ball games that require hand/eye co-ordination) that has made my game / fitness / skill improve at least 80% with very minimal amount of time I spent (compared to real world training). If you are into Fitness, nothing like training in VR for literally no money (compared to Gym / personal trainer)

Any recommendations of games or apps that helped you most?

Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by richardw »

bonton89 wrote: post #334
pavlov wrote: post #145

Shades of Apple licensing the Mac OS to clone hardware vendors in 1995 - 1997. It seems like Meta will be controlling the software experience quite closely, just like Apple did back in the day. There’s an important difference though: Apple made all their money on Mac hardware margins which the nimble clone vendors could undercut. Whereas for Meta, the Quest hardware has always been sold at breakeven or even as a loss…

> So there’s no kind of existential danger to Quest here, but it remains to be seen if the hardware licensees can bring anything relevant to the table either. Why would I, as a potential hardware maker, wish to compete in a market where the existing main producer is a mega wealthy entity that is already dumping product below cost and is capable of doing so indefinitely?

its partly in the article. Companies like Xbox and Lenovo want different experiences for their clients. This allows them to share the basic platform but specialise for their customer segments, eg professional or Xbox owners or whatever. Architects and civil engineers and doctors might not want normal game controllers and the default resolution. Cheap devices used in developing countries can have a lower resolution and no hand tracking. Meta wins because they can’t build 100 versions themselves, all they care about is growth of the market. Nothing is locked up yet, think of a market 100x bigger.

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Post by mrmetanoia »

modeless wrote: post #5

Official blog post: https://about.fb.com/news/2024/04/introducing-our-open-mixed... Short video from Zuckerberg: https://twitter.com/NathieVR/status/1782436898654273981 This is an interesting move and feels like a response to complaints that Meta is hypocritical when complaining about closed platforms while running one themselves. But this isn't open source. I don't know why any OEMs would want to compete with Meta's…

This seems kind of interesting to me, it's a shame it's from Meta so I'll likely never touch it because of the toxicity of their core products, but I'm glad to see this, as it seems like it could stimulate some competition.

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Post by woopsn »

wvenable wrote: post #357
woopsn wrote: post #337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In business you would traditionally call that sort of arrangement "outsourcing". The Internet of Things is okay -- it could have been worse, The Omninet or something.

"outsourcing" is a broad term. Building your widgets in China is also outsourcing.

That's the point though. Manufacturing, logistics, payroll, research, advertising, legal services, ... -- outsourcing certain functions to specialist, often (but not always) cheaper or more efficient companies is a typical business practice. The term is broadly applicable and used where ever this is the case. Since there are well-known business and organizational risks associated with outsourcing, it is conspicuous that we "migrate to the cloud" instead.

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Post by modeless »

modeless wrote: post #164

> And we encourage the Google Play 2D app store to come to Meta Horizon OS, where it can operate with the same economic model it does on other platforms. It sounds like they are specifically not open to third party app stores selling native AR/VR ("3D") apps. I can see why Google might not want to participate if they're not allowed to compete. This feels like a response to complaints that Meta is hypocritical when co…

Sorry for the double post. One of my comments was moved here from a different submission so now there are two top level comments from me, and I can't edit or delete them because the edit window has closed.

Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by stronglikedan »

distortedsignal wrote: post #342
bonton89 wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So there’s no kind of existential danger to Quest here, but it remains to be seen if the hardware licensees can bring anything relevant to the table either. Why would I, as a potential hardware maker, wish to compete in a market where the existing main producer is a mega wealthy entity that is already dumping product below cost and is capable of doing so indefinitely?

The low end of the market is taken - but (from an outsider perspective) the high end appears free. The people who want to buy a Honda aren't the same people who want to buy an Acura, even though it's (essentially) the same parts. Let's say that, tomorrow, Gucci or Dolce and Gabanna (or however you spell that) want to make a VR headset (why? who knows?). They don't have the tech acumen to compete with Facebook on expe…

> The people who want to buy a Honda aren't the same people who want to buy an Acura, even though it's (essentially) the same parts.

Nit, but as an Acura driver (chooser), I can tell you that they are definitely not essentially the same parts. The irrelevant parts are the same, but everything that matters to the driver (suspension/drivetrain, interior materials, technology, etc.) all all different and better in the Acura. I get what you're trying to say, but that was not a good metaphor.

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