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Post by tomp »

Red_Leaves_Flyy wrote: post #444
tomp wrote: post #404

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What do you mean? In the adult world, you'd just call the police. In the child world, sometimes you tell the adults, but they don't do anything, and the abuse continues. That's at least my experience with bullying in primary school. "Conflict resolution" and such virtue-signalling buzzwords don't work against violent bullies .

Sometimes the only resolution for a conflict is murder. Even in non stand your ground states. I do not think you understand conflict resolution and should probably study it a bit before speaking so authoritatively. The basic gist of it is to identify the root cause of contention and identify the best practical solution. Most people bad at managing conflict fail to correctly identify the cause and empathize with the o…

How would you attempt “conflict resolution” with primary school bullies?

Sometimes the only resolution to violence is (threat of) superior violence. If you’re a child and a group of kids attacks you, that’s “adults resolving the situation”. Anything else is a failure of the schooling system.

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Post by Red_Leaves_Flyy »

anon291 wrote: post #302
richardlblair wrote: post #247

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It's hard to look at visualizations like this and reflect on the experiences of the individuals living through hardship. Even those who 'make it out' may struggle in ways not fully captured in the data or this visualization. I grew up in a 'high risk environment', and experienced all the adverse experiences with the exception of gun violence (yay Canada). I'm one of the few that 'made it out'. Many of my childhood fr…

Unfortunately a solid number of these things would rely on the moral equivalent of slavery. > Reduce the burden of poverty. For instance, the poorer you are the further you have to travel to the grocery store. The people who often don't have the means to easily travel for food have to travel for food. No one wants to work in these neighborhoods because they are invariably awful. At some point the risk of an employee…

>Our current economic system has consistently lifted large numbers of people out of poverty historically, and is still doing it today.

Debatable.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2316730121

>We should at least give it a go for seven more generations.

Are you being sarcastic? Underclasses and the declining classes are both on the verge of revolt. Seven generations of status quo won’t occur. That’s a fantasy of someone who does not understand the problem.

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Post by coldtea »

richardlblair wrote: post #442
tomp wrote: post #404

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean? In the adult world, you'd just call the police. In the child world, sometimes you tell the adults, but they don't do anything, and the abuse continues. That's at least my experience with bullying in primary school. "Conflict resolution" and such virtue-signalling buzzwords don't work against violent bullies .

"You'd just call the police" This is funny because you'd be hard pressed to find someone from a low income neighborhood calling the police.

Not to mention, easy to find some killed by the very police they themselves called.

Aderrien Murry, 11, called 911 for help at his home in Indianola, Miss., last weekend. But after police arrived, an officer shot him in the chest. The boy is recovering, but his family is asking for answers — and they want the officer involved to be fired.

https://www.npr.org/2023/05/26/1178398395/mississippi-11-yea...

A Los Angeles county sheriff’s deputy shot and killed a 27-year-old woman who had called 911 to report that she was under attack by a former boyfriend, police officials and lawyers for the victim’s family said on Thursday. Records show the deputy had killed another person in similar circumstances three years ago.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/21/los-angeles-...

And this is just 2 random cases from 2023

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imacomputertoo wrote: post #209

The conclusion of this data presentation is that so of these people are our collective responsibility, and I just wasn't convinced. I wish they had shown percentages with the visualization. They choose not to. I was underwhelmed by some points that seemed like they should have been more shocking. Look at the huge number of people in the many adverse experiences category who made it to college, and make a high salary.…

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Post by gentleman11 »

Red_Leaves_Flyy wrote: post #437
imacomputertoo wrote: post #209

The conclusion of this data presentation is that so of these people are our collective responsibility, and I just wasn't convinced. I wish they had shown percentages with the visualization. They choose not to. I was underwhelmed by some points that seemed like they should have been more shocking. Look at the huge number of people in the many adverse experiences category who made it to college, and make a high salary.…

The point is, likely intentionally, understated. I cannot speak for the author, but the gist I got is that our society thrusts wholly unprepared people into adulthood and we could get a lot of improvements from just making it harder for people to fail at adulting. IYKYK and if you don’t you will get fucked - repeatedly. Basic life skills are not taught so it’s up to the individual if their family fails. Importantly,…

If you say the problem is social class and poverty, and not having available role models to show how adult life actually works, you’ll get flamed and trolled. If you say the problem is racial issues, you’ll get upvotes. I’ll just sit here and await my downvotes now

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by sabarn01 »

Red_Leaves_Flyy wrote: post #437
imacomputertoo wrote: post #209

The conclusion of this data presentation is that so of these people are our collective responsibility, and I just wasn't convinced. I wish they had shown percentages with the visualization. They choose not to. I was underwhelmed by some points that seemed like they should have been more shocking. Look at the huge number of people in the many adverse experiences category who made it to college, and make a high salary.…

The point is, likely intentionally, understated. I cannot speak for the author, but the gist I got is that our society thrusts wholly unprepared people into adulthood and we could get a lot of improvements from just making it harder for people to fail at adulting. IYKYK and if you don’t you will get fucked - repeatedly. Basic life skills are not taught so it’s up to the individual if their family fails. Importantly,…

The outcome of this has been to make it harder to fail as a kid. We don't hold kids back anymore and we don't suspend kids anymore. At some point in time the rubber meets the road and you will be held accountable and have to be. We could improve the social safety net but we never want to match other countries that have more supervision of their at risk population.

When I worked temp jobs there wasn't a place I worked where if you showed up on time two days in a row and worked hard I wasn't offered a job. All of these places paid well over minimum wage you just had to be willing to do hard physical work. Society plays some role but I have zero trust that our institutions know how to help people.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by coldtea »

nox101 wrote: post #378
fragmede wrote: post #358

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OTOH, if being a cashier at the 7-11 paid $100k/yr in hazard pay, I'm sure you could find people willing to work there. the only question is where that money comes from.

That sounds like it has possible unintended consequences? "Go shoot lots of guns and do violent things and then our hazard pay will go up!"

Only as much as any other such thing.

Did home insurance availability increased arsons in any significant number?

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Post by adamredwoods »

narrator wrote: post #292

Let me guess, the solution is ban guns and pay higher taxes. That is the solution to literally every single problem in human history according to western sociology. Then you get some guy like Nayib Bukele who cuts the Gordian Knot of societal disfunction going from the highest murder rate in the world to the lowest in the western hemisphere in 3 years short years by putting all the gangsters in prison. All the "surpl…

In my armchair opinion, there will always be crime, but the magnitude of gun violence is incredible. Kids get shot at parks near me because bullets don't stop. Guns are great at that, spreading violence across an area of intention, and from a distance.

If there were any simple solution, we'd have done that, but even with the idea of "banning guns" nothing has significantly progressed in that department because of loopholes and powerful gun advocates.

So anytime anyone complains of "banning guns" I laugh because nothing has changed.

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Post by Avicebron »

James_K wrote: post #394
smegger001 wrote: post #383

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The same economic systems you praise resulted mass starvations due famine killing millions in the process of trying to raise them out of poverty, (see the great leap forwards). Whats really lifting them out of poverty is the west exporting manufacturing to China. its not socialism pulling China out of poverty its mercantilism. As western cash is exchanged for Chinese products, its no surprise then that as poverty has…

> Whats really lifting them out of poverty is the west exporting manufacturing to China How does one export manufacturing? It is undeniable that that China has benefited from science and innovation, but these I would consider to be the fruits of all mankind. If anything, the west has tried its hardest to keep knowledge from China. China has only advanced by systematically breaking intellectual property law that the w…

>How does one export manufacturing?

By not doing it locally and purchasing it from another entity like China? they mean the export of the action of manufacturing and the associated benefits

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