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Would you rather have no choice? I get the sentiment, but it's nice to finally have lawmakers and regulators standing for what's right - for once.
Aren’t regulators by definition establishing regulations which make all choices more similar to each other?
I wont even play it probably, but i look forward to buy that game via the Epic Banana store just to vote with my wallet.
you have to give it to the guy - he continued coding even after loosing in the court and having to read tons of legal papers - Sept 10, 2021: Lost a court case, climbed a mountain, read hundreds of pages of legal papers, wrote some code. Just as determined as ever to fight on until there is genuine developer and consumer freedom in software, and fair competition in each mobile platform software component. https://x.c…
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Regulators did get involved: https://twitter.com/ThierryBreton/status/1765793776692326891
He tweeted something. There was some reporting he might have sent a letter asking questions too, the same as you or I could do. If any official action was taken it would have to be documented with a case: https://digital-markets-act-cases.ec.europa.eu/search
You don’t want an official investigation, they are a complete nightmare that eat up months of work hours. Much better to spend a couple of days making sure you can give the correct answers on the first pass. Unless of course you genuinely believe the regulators are pushing beyond their remit, but know you’re voluntary signing up for an expensive and protracted fight.
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We would all be carrying around government approved Windows Mobile phones. Remember all this DMA stuff is coming from the same organization that wants to force Chrome and Firefox to accept TLS certificates issued by governments for any website they want: https://therecord.media/eu-urged-to-drop-law-website-authent...
Just because a government organization wants to push some bad laws, it doesn't mean they can't also do good, and enact useful policies that are actually good for people.
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Yes, the EU immediately stepped in and explained them what the consequences of breaking the law would be, and Apple budged, caved, backed down. Not getting out of this one.
That only makes sense if we assume Apple’s world class legal team didn’t see what every lay person could. Rolling back the decision is not going to get them out of the eyes of the regulators and they must have assumed that going into it. Why give the EU even more ammo against you. My guess is that they saw that all happening but Epic provided them a letter saying they double pinky promised, cross their hearts, will o…
After all, legal advice can usually be summed up as “if you do anything, someone can fuck you”, and do nothing isn’t a good business strategy.
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> Business is an at-will arrangement, at least in the free parts of the world Funny, because part of what makes the free parts of the world "free" is competition, which is exactly what Apple is trying to stifle. Also it's funny you cite that disclaimer about right of refusal, because in fact, there are plenty of discrimination laws that address just that and in general there are reasons you can and can't refuse servi…
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You're the one that cited right of refusal *shrug*
> 2. Epic violated mutually agreed upon terms in cases prior, which Apple can rightfully cite in future references.
"Mutually agreed upon" is a hilarious way of putting it. Epic rebelled against a bad system. More importantly, they won. The law is more important now than Apple's rules, and the fact that Apple backed down shows that they know that.
> 3. Apple customers are free to choose Android or Windows or any other platform with Epic software. Competition, baby!
As an Apple customer, this pisses me off. I have no desire to switch but I also have no desire for Apple to act in this way. Epic's win is good for customers, only Apple fanboys or investors are upset by this.
> 4. If you want to do business with someone, you and them both agree to and abide by terms set forth. If you don't like the terms, you renegotiate and if that doesn't pan out you terminate the agreement according to terms therein or otherwise as amicably as possible and go on your way.
They did renegotiate... through the courts. There are reasons we have antitrust laws and anti-monopoly laws. You cant have any sort of reasonable negotiation when one side is a 900 pound gorilla. Regulation matters when it comes to market access
> 5. Bluntly speaking, Epic might need Apple but Apple doesn't need Epic.
So your point is that Apple is a mega-giant that doesn't feel harm from banning a smaller competitor? You're basically making my point for me.
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Sure, Apple takes a strong decision which breaks a just-enforced law, and two days later they back down because they had a nice talk with Epic. /s The EU told Apple that breaking the law would have dire consequences. That's the only reason Apple backed down. Stop spreading Apple propaganda.
It's good scrutiny to have, but I'm surprised that there are now at leat 3 users here that really believe that Apple reversed course in 3 days out of the goodness of their hearts. I can't even get a response from many customer services in 3 days. No company thst big turns on a dime without extreme arm twisting.
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> the amount of work necessary to try to support PWAs with third-party browser engines securely was way out of scope for the time frame to support the DMA. Rubbish. The DMA became law in November 1st 2022. A trillion(!)-dollar corporation had approximately a year and a half to work this out.
I mean, lots and lots of software goes through decades of development and yet still contains major security exploits. A year and a half isn't necessarily a huge amount of time to develop a full sandbox for code you don't even control.
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If PWAs had any merit at all, why would anyone build a native Android app today where all these magic features are inhibited? What's actually missing that's stopping this from working?
> What's actually missing that's stopping this from working? Proper support on all platforms. No point working on PWAs that have janky tooling (reason: see previous sentence) when they're only going to work decently on Android devices anyway.
You also didn’t answer what is missing. What is missing? What’s this insurmountable problem that’s solved everywhere else? Why is janky tooling attributable to Apple?