Just hire Chinese engineers who were born/raised here. It would meet the DEI quota and decrease the chance of industrial espionage. No guarantees, but I think this would help.
Chinese and Indian men do not count towards any DEI quota in tech!!
Ex-Google engineer charged with stealing trade secrets
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> You expect Google to scan the database of companies in every country continuously to see if employees are executives of them? How would this handle different people who have the same name? > Disclosure: I work at Google. It's Google. Not a mom and pop shop, not a startup, not even a large bank. It's a massive conglomerate who's entire business model revolves around data. So yes. And same-name conflicts can be handl…
I'm not aware of any corp doing this and why should they? There are as many valid reasons registering a company without affecting your employment.
When you apply to Google, they ask what other employment you have, IP you own, etc. Many companies do some variation of this, but I believe Google is one of the most restrictive on its employees.
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Reminds me of the time I quit my job at a large corp and my boss advised me to not do any large downloads in the days just before I left because "IT has tools to scan for that and they might think you're trying to take secrets with you." Guess this guy didn't get the memo.
Good boss!
I don't want to discount his kindness, but I guess he was also trying to prevent some mess for himself.
Being the direct manager in these situations is a hell of a ride no matter what your involvement is.
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There have been a lot of falsely accused "spies" recently like Xiaoxing Xi, Sherry Chen, and Anming Hu. All charges were eventually dropped. I wonder what will happen with this case.
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So in your oppinion the US, despite being not at war, should make as much munitions as a country that is very much at war?
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The entire history of man counters this. So while you might be advocating for some Star Trek world peace fantasy, historical and present realities differ. And that reality is what leadership and everyday people live in. A zero sum game.
Nota zero sum game, but about history I agree with you man but we can do better.
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It’s all fun and games being that collective until you realise the other side hate you because you’re different from them. You’ve given away everything and they now dominate you. Cute ideas but game theory still holds. Why does every tree in the forest waste its energy and time competing to grow tall rather than just immediately spreading seed? Game theory.
“People are no better than this, so we better math the shit outta it.” That’s exactly what a Chinese technocrat would say. But we can be bigger than game theory. We’re not chess pieces we’ve got choices.
It seems like hating the other side is the problem. But what if it’s not? What if it’s closer to what you say in that this is driven by some underlying genetics, and the hate appears later as a conscious rationalization of instinct?
I still believe we can be bigger than our biology and collectively we should. In some sense in part, the history of civilization is a kind of conquest of our culture over our biology.
Little aside, as there’s nowhere else to put it: when I originally made that comment, it wasn’t flagged and I didn’t have the flagged joke at the top of the comment.
But I immediately thought “this is going to get flagged,” so I put that little joke there and then sure enough it did get flagged sometime later.
What I wonder is: would it have still got flagged, without that little joke about it being flagged at the top?
I guess we’ll never know! at least in this version of the universe. Might have to hop over to another version in order to see the alternative. Hahaha! :)
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One of the reasons I appreciated academics in my youth was because of how international they were and their bias towards disseminating knowledge globally. I think the modern day equivalent is libre/free/open source. I encourage everyone to support libre/free/open source software, hardware and data.
I agree we should spread knowledge and source code, but I don’t think open source always works. The reason seems to be because when you create an open system with no restrictions beyond an honor system, people and organizations take advantage of it.
You need force, I just don’t think you need borders anymore.
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> We should be figuring out how to create a global, collective, human advantage for everyone and the planet We haven’t solved the problem of governance. The End of History seemed close in the 1990s. But we’re back to being torn between the efficiency (and short-term stability) of authoritarian models against the flexibility (and long-term stability) of democratic ones. Until we find the model that just works, this co…
I agree with you. The problem of governance is tricky. And it seems there’s not enough innovation, and the incentives that would support innovation don’t exist insufficient quantity.
And that’s why I think we should give ourselves trickier governing challenges, such as figuring out how to create this world without borders. You’re not always air quotes ready before you take the leap, whatever it is.
Re: Ex-Google engineer charged with stealing trade secrets
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> We should be figuring out how to create a global, collective, human advantage for everyone and the planet We haven’t solved the problem of governance. The End of History seemed close in the 1990s. But we’re back to being torn between the efficiency (and short-term stability) of authoritarian models against the flexibility (and long-term stability) of democratic ones. Until we find the model that just works, this co…
Authoritarian models are not efficient in anyway, they can project the image of being efficient but that does not mean they are. They are worse in every way apart from complete disorder and chaos.
Any real governing model cannot afford to be entirely authoritarian or entirely libertarian. It seems it has to have a mix of qualities.
How can you enforce legislation without authority? But also, how can you foster innovation without liberty?
Well, the question of the specific make up of an entire governing model, complex as that would be, is an important question. I don’t think it’s the question that’s key here.
What I was referring to was we need a world that is without borders and doesn’t incentivize existential competition between different groups.
We’re smart enough to figure out how to all get along if we can just be better, than the way we’re made. Compulsive, animal natures.