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Re: More misdrilled holes on 737 MAX in latest setback

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Post by p_l » Thu, Feb 08, 2024, 2:08 AM UTC

nradov wrote: post #407

paulmd wrote: post #387

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Type certification is a thing that exists, and the whole reason the 737 max is designed in this particular wonky way is so that it can grandfather into the type certification from the existing 737 family. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_certificate Having to mix and match pilots across the fleet is less efficient, what if you have a 737 pilot but the only aircraft available is an airbus? So, many airlines (eg so…

Type certificates for commercial airliners should expire after 30 years. After that date, allow any existing aircraft to continue operating but don't allow manufacturing of any new ones. The manufacturer should have to recertify and prove that the design fully complies with all current rules. The original Boeing 737 design only took 4 years so that would give them plenty of time to work through any necessary design c…

The type certificate was for pilots

Re: More misdrilled holes on 737 MAX in latest setback

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Post by p_l » Thu, Feb 08, 2024, 2:13 AM UTC

kelnos wrote: post #319

AaronM wrote: post #249

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I think the MD merge gets the blame by many, however, it seems as though the shift in the market that started around the same time to optimize shareholder value at all costs is really to blame.

I think it's both in a sort of chicken and egg sort of situation. The MD execs taking over Boeing had a terrible effect on safety culture, but the reason the MD execs took over in the first place was because of this shift in the market that you describe. If the pre-MD Boeing management had managed to retain control of the company things may have been ok from a quality and safety perspective... but the stock would hav…

Phil Condit was a Boeing engineering lifer who spearheaded the first steps that led to things described as "MD takeover".

And was still in charge of 7E7 (today's Dreamliner) when the excessive outsourcing and cost targets began.

Re: More misdrilled holes on 737 MAX in latest setback

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Post by p_l » Thu, Feb 08, 2024, 2:17 AM UTC

Syonyk wrote: post #315

sandworm101 wrote: post #282

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No, read the post to which I actually responded. It didn't say "pilot, any pilot, anyone with a ticket". >> also be a pilot with the suitable type ratings to fly the stuff they build. Boeing builds airliners. The "pilot" in the context of this threat a pilot rated to fly the "stuff they build".

If you're not flying it in passenger revenue service, I believe the requirements get a lot fuzzier - I would expect you'd need at a minimum a commercial multiengine cert to get rated for airliners, but I don't know that you actually need the ATP, unless you're going to fly in revenue service. And, tbh, I don't care if the CEO of Boeing can take one around the pattern on their own. If they need a rated instructor with…

In USA, you only need ATPL for captain position on airliners, at least so long as you fly domestic only.

Re: More misdrilled holes on 737 MAX in latest setback

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Post by sonicanatidae » Thu, Feb 08, 2024, 3:56 PM UTC

smcin wrote: post #392

sonicanatidae wrote: post #320

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Meaningful penalties would address this nicely, but since CU legalized clear, over-the-table bribery, I suspect it'll never happen.

('CU' = Citizens United ruling (2010) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC )

Thanks. I forget to post that when I mention CU and I appreciate you not only addressing it, but reminding me.