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Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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Post by lysp »

cjbprime wrote: post #262
danpalmer wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In some countries yes. In the UK if you want to make 20 or more roles "redundant", you have to group employees by reasonable groups, rank them by reasonable measures, and then let go those at the bottom. You also have to consult with employee representatives at each stage. Then, employees are entitled to minimum compensation amounts and that isn't taxed in the normal way. Much of Europe has similar or stronger proces…

I think another key aspect of "redundancy" in the UK is that it is a claim that the person's role is no longer needed, and hiring someone else for that role soon afterwards can be seen as invalidating that claim and thus invalidating the dismissal.

Which is why new roles are (or should be) advertised as slightly different - for legal protection against former employees taking you to court for fake redundancies.

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paledot wrote: post #377
berniedurfee wrote: post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. I made that rookie mistake early in my career.

I gave something like 6 weeks notice at my last job and by mutual agreement spent most of that time doing presentations and updating docs to sunset my bus factor. The mistake isn't on the part of the worker who has the courtesy to minimise the disruption of their departure, it's the employer who poisons that well. Of course, power dynamics being what they are, it's the worker who pays the price.

Returning to add: the benefit to employers of acting like their (ex-)employees are human is that we finished off with a very friendly "if you're interested in coming back, the door is always open", and indeed during my time there I had more than one ex-colleague who became a colleague again. Often at a much higher level and salary bracket, tech promo being equally broken everywhere.

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Aurornis wrote: post #31
danpalmer wrote: post #24

This is why we need unions. Layoffs are unfortunately, sometimes, necessary. But when they happen, it's important that the right people are chosen, for the right reasons (whether that's performance based, voluntary, protecting certain groups, ensuring fairness, etc). That requires collective bargaining by representatives who are able to assess and change the criteria, and who are able to negotiate for better outcomes…

The person in this TikTok admits to having closed zero sales. They're also one of the most junior people on the team (4.5 months). They would be among the first to go under union rules, too. Unions are often worse at prioritizing things like tenure over performance, if anything. But even under those rules she was one of the most junior people. There is basically no situation where a union would have prioritized this…

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