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The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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As bad as the Internet is, it's not as bad as Reddit, Tom's Hardware, and Ars Technica. Those forums routinely delete the best posts to protect the egotistical moderators from being proven wrong. I'm talking about you, Beth Mole.

If we had accepted the best internet posts and kicked out the egotistical moderators, and charged $0.01 per post to limit spam, the world would be a better place and we would have a better source from which to train our AIs.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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post #5

Never thought I'd say this, but in times like these, with clearnet in such dire straits, all the information siloed away inside Discord doesn't seem like such a bad thing. Remaining unindexable by search engines all but guarantees you'll never appear alongside AI slop or be used as training data. The future of the Internet truly is people - the machines can no longer be trusted to perform even the basic tasks they on…

Well, unless Discord starts selling it to ai companies right?

Imagine the rich economic insights we could get from a Discord AI trained on billions of messages in crypto shitcoin channels. /s

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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post #61

Before ChatGPT, it was already full of bot-generated garbage; google any celebrity name and crappy sites are recommended with their net worth or relationship status.

This is the worst of it. All of googles' top suggestions, highlights, and whatever other garbage they put in the top two scroll pages, is just junk. Garbage. It's right perhaps 5% of the time for me. So not only do I have to hunt through their horrible search results, I have to hunt through junk they add on top of that. The sad part is, their buffoonery in aliasing words is 90% of the problem. No, I searched for Davi…

It kind of baffles me how people spent the last 15 years or so generating a black hole's worth of SEO content, but Google is at the forefront of "being at fault" for it now. Google has no real incentive to make their product suck for no reason, but SEO people have a never-changing reason to try and break Google. The point of SEO is delivering your content to a user through search results, no matter if it's actually relevant to anything.

It's not (mainly) Google. It's that SEO won.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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One aspect of the spread of LLMs is that we have lost a useful heuristic. Poor spelling and grammar used to be a signal used to quickly filter out worthless posts. Unfortunately, this doesn't work at all for AI-generated garbage. Its command of the language is perfect - in fact, it's much better than that of most human beings. Anyone can instantly generate superficially coherent posts. You no longer have to hire a co…

Every human-authored news article posted online since 2006 has had multiple misspellings, typos, and occasional grammar mistakes. Blogs on the other hand tend to have very few errors.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Although I agree with the title, I also don't think the internet is that significantly different from before GPTs 4, 3, or 2. Articles written by interns or Indian virtual assistants about generic topics are pretty much as bad as most AI generated material and isn't that distinguishable from it. It doesn't help that search engines today sort by prestige over whether your query matches text in a webpage. People aren't…

>If there is to be a "web" going forward, I hope it not only moves to a new anonymized layer, but requires frequent exchange of currency to make generating lots of low quality material less viable. If 90% of the public doesn't want to pay, then they are at liberty to keep eating slop.

I completely agree!

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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One aspect of the spread of LLMs is that we have lost a useful heuristic. Poor spelling and grammar used to be a signal used to quickly filter out worthless posts. Unfortunately, this doesn't work at all for AI-generated garbage. Its command of the language is perfect - in fact, it's much better than that of most human beings. Anyone can instantly generate superficially coherent posts. You no longer have to hire a co…

So now the heuristic will change to "super excellent grammar", clearly.

We'll learn to pepper our content with creative misspellings now...

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Too bad Kagi is also investing in LLMs.

Why is that bad?

Because Kagi is doing what Google was in 2008; taking a query and returning links as results. Indexing the web doesn't need an LLM.

Google needs an LLM because they have a business need to answer the question for you, thus keeping you on Google.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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One aspect of the spread of LLMs is that we have lost a useful heuristic. Poor spelling and grammar used to be a signal used to quickly filter out worthless posts. Unfortunately, this doesn't work at all for AI-generated garbage. Its command of the language is perfect - in fact, it's much better than that of most human beings. Anyone can instantly generate superficially coherent posts. You no longer have to hire a co…

> You no longer have to hire a copywriter, as many SEO spammers used to do. I used to do SEO copywriting in high school and yeah, ChatGPT's output is pretty much at the level of what I was producing (primarily, use certain keywords, secondarily, write a surface-level informative article tangential to what you want to sell to the customer). > At some point it may become impossible to separate the wheat from the chaff.…

>But then, looking forward years in time, people start leaning more heavily on that and stop posting to Stack Overflow and the well of information for AI to train on starts to dry up

for coding tasks I'd imagine it could be trained on the actual source code of the libraries or languages and determine proper answers for most questions. AI companies have seen success using "synthetic" data, but who knows how much it can scale and improve

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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One aspect of the spread of LLMs is that we have lost a useful heuristic. Poor spelling and grammar used to be a signal used to quickly filter out worthless posts. Unfortunately, this doesn't work at all for AI-generated garbage. Its command of the language is perfect - in fact, it's much better than that of most human beings. Anyone can instantly generate superficially coherent posts. You no longer have to hire a co…

I rely on the stilted style of Chinese product descriptions on Amazon to avoid cheap knockoffs. Why do these products use weird bullet lists of features like "will bring you into a magical world"? Once you LLM these into normal human speak it will be much harder to identify the imports. https://www.amazon.com/CFMOUR-Original-Smooth-Carbon-KB8888T

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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> The once ubiquitous phrase “let me Google that for you” is now meaningless. You are as likely to return incorrect information as you are complete fabrications To me this came when I realised that SEO this and SEO that SEO here and SEO there was as innate as googling for answers. And is still incomprehensible to me how people can argue with serious face for actively and forcefully distorting the search results that…

My favorite example is if I search Google for "tide me over vs tie me over" it comes up with "Tie me over is correct". Not only is this wrong, but if you click the link, the source itself says it is wrong! The source is literally on the importance of fact checking, and Google is pulling a quote that the article uses as an example of an incorrect fact. Google: WARNING: It is a common misconception that the phrase “tie…

Interestingly enough, I searched for the same query myself (signed out) and it came up with

> “Tied over” is a misspelling of “tide over.” Tied means to attach, fasten, or bind something, while a tide is the rising and falling of the sea that takes place twice a day in relation to the pull of the moon's gravity.

So, it did come up with a correct answer... but the answer is to a completely different question. Though the "actual source" you used was the second result.

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