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Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by BrookeRivers »

verbify wrote: post #436
slim wrote: post #415

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> the jews lived peacefully in Palestine for centuries alongside christians and muslims before colonization https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1517_Hebron_attacks https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Ottoman... There were periods of peace, but they were also second class citizens and occasionally the victims of massacres.

So because there were violent historic events (half of which were perpetuated colonizers/invading forces) in a region destabilized by colonization/imperialism, that means Israel has the right to genocide the Palestinians living there?

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Post by anigbrowl »

asylteltine wrote: post #356
CommanderData wrote: post #211

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Two wrongs don't make a right. And Israel's settlement project has repeatedly been judged in violation of international law by numerous distinct international bodies, going back to 1979.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law_and_Israeli_...

While Hamas' attacks on civilians on October 7 was an atrocity, nobody can honestly suggest Israel has a clean record in this territorial conflict.

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

trhway wrote: post #384
nradov wrote: post #382

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And yet when Russia invaded Ukraine, Meta changed their policy and made it acceptable to advocate violence against Russians. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/exclusive-facebook-inst... Personally, I oppose both Russian expansionism and the genocidal antisemitic Hamas terrorist movement, so the Meta policy aligns with my views. But I am deeply uncomfortable with having a small cabal of Silicon Valley executives de…

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Per the report, they've gone far beyond just banning calls for violence. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38750605

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Post by anigbrowl »

bitwize wrote: post #189
whats_a_quasar wrote: post #78

This post was flagged, but I don't think it should have been and I hope it stays up. I have been grateful that HN hasn't had the same level of animosity about the conflict in Gaza as other places on the internet. But this news article is about a core issue in tech, and should be discussed on HN. The whole world now uses social media to communicate, which means that when there's a war, partisans of both sides will be…

> My engineer brain wants to solve this by giving users more visibility into moderation decisions. Visibility into moderation decisions makes them more gameable/exploitable/circumventable. The whole purpose of moderation is to remove unwanted speech; justifying the fairness of such removal is only secondary, and can be elided if it interferes with the primary goal. Hence "You have been banned because your posts viola…

This is basically an argument for getting rid of laws and ruling by fiat, with a judicial process that amounts to repeating 'you know what you did' whether or not that is honest.

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Post by rayiner »

wolverine876 wrote: post #445
rayiner wrote: post #380

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> For example, the phrase "from the river to the see" is considered hateful by many The phrase has its origins in Arab nationalism. It was coined in 1960 by the PLO to refer to the goal of an Arab state that occupies the entirety of what was Mandatory Palestine. If you ignore the subtext of “what happens to the Jews in that situation” I suppose you can make a case for it. It’s like the confederate flag. In the 20th c…

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It’s not “flame war,” it’s a fact that is essential to understanding the politics of the situation. Arab countries that are happy to bomb the shit out of minorities in their own midst don’t keep trying to wipe Israel off the map because they cade deeply about Palestinian human rights. There is a strong nationalist and religious motivation. And without understanding that, you can’t have an educated opinion of what’s going on.

Check out this Reddit thread about a Bangladeshi American dating a Jewish guy, asking what to do about Bangladeshis who support Hitler: https://www.reddit.com/r/bangladesh/comments/17eqywa/how_can...

And check out the first response:

> I just say Hitler is indirectly responsible for the creation of Israel. If he didn't try to kill them all then Jewish people wouldn't have cared that much about founding an independent Israel. This might force them to think a bit differently and change their view about him.

Sure, it’s just one anecdote. But it’s hard to convey to someone who doesn’t have a Muslim family how pervasive anti-semitism is. My favorite aunt, who is the sweetest person, will randomly lower her voice and blame things on “the Jews” (she pronounces it like “juice”). And I’m from a liberal, upper class family where all the women went to college.

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Post by fngjdflmdflg »

londons_explore wrote: post #168

One day, there will be a bigish war, and comms between the sides will be cut off, either by law, or all comms links severed. At that point, every global business will have to figure out how to split their business in two, their database in two, their server infrastructure in two, etc. and have both halves work. I suspect that few businesses have prepared for such an eventuality, and I suspect severe disruption can be…

Any distributed database worth its salt is already using UUIDs of some sort.

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Post by anigbrowl »

dang wrote: post #165
cthaeh wrote: post #66

Can someone explain how every single post about Palestine/Israel is flagged and removed the instant it hits front page? I have seen this with around 4-5 threads personally and who knows how many I missed

Users are flagging them. I don't think it's hard to understand why: it's a divisive and flameprone topic. Two positions that people urge us to take (different people, obviously) are (1) treat it as off topic and flag everything; or (2) have no limits, which means letting it dominate the front page. Neither of these positions are viable for HN. For reasons why I say that, see past explanations at https://hn.algolia.co…

The pro-Israel information war - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38572675 - Dec 2023 (1673 comments)

I posted that one, and while it went somewhat well by the standards of such a controversial topic, it was still contentious and had a lot of bad feeling. I submitted it because there was a nexus to both the dynamics of influence operations and individual movers and shakes in the SV community.

In general I think submitting on a topic like this requires some sort of hacker-specific angle - involving people in the industry, or the impact of technological change, or a new dynamic emerging from some unexpected source (eg cheap consumer-tech drones in the Ukraine conflict).

It's not that other topics shouldn't be discussed on HN, anything sufficiently unusual to be news cn be worth a look. But we should also be mindful that if the community can't provide more than baseline insight/expertise on a trending news topic, the resulting discussion will probably be shallow and have little value.

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Post by [deleted] »

rayiner wrote: post #443
slim wrote: post #415

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Peacefully: https://www.wsj.com/articles/many-israelis-are-refugees-from... Name one Arab-majority country where Jews live openly as equal citizens. The suggestion that “freeing Palestine from the river to the sea” would just mean a secular multi-ethnic state where Jews life peacefully among an Arab majority is willful blindness.

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Post by graphe »

rayiner wrote: post #443
slim wrote: post #415

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Peacefully: https://www.wsj.com/articles/many-israelis-are-refugees-from... Name one Arab-majority country where Jews live openly as equal citizens. The suggestion that “freeing Palestine from the river to the sea” would just mean a secular multi-ethnic state where Jews life peacefully among an Arab majority is willful blindness.

Jews aren't treated worst than others in Muslim countries by these standards. They don't treat Hindus and Shintoism better.

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Post by anigbrowl »

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #446
anigbrowl wrote: post #438

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The "from the river to the sea" is a call for genocide of Israelis. No it isn't. Expressing a desire for freedom and regaining ownership of land may make occupiers uncomfortable, but that doesn't constitute genocide.

Are you okay with Israel saying 'from the river Israel will prosper'? https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/ha... Where will Jews live if there is a Palestinian state from river to sea?

I'm fine with that. Looking at a map I see plenty of room for 2 states to exist; nobody is going to get everything they want.
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