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Earlier quoted context omitted.

he even posted a apology: https://x.com/ilyasut/status/1726590052392956028?s=20 what the actual fuck =O

They did not expect Microsoft to take everything and walk away, and did not realize how little pull they actually had. If you made a comment recently about de jure vs de facto power, step forward and collect your prize.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38338096

What do I win? Hahaha.

Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

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OpenAI was valued around $91 billion so if only 700 employees had options, they could have been worth a lot. While they are going to all have great jobs and continue on with their life’s work (until they’re replaced by their creations lol), they have a really good reason now not to ever speak the names of those board members that wiped out their long term payouts.

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Ilya posted this on Twitter: "I deeply regret my participation in the board's actions. I never intended to harm OpenAI. I love everything we've built together and I will do everything I can to reunite the company." https://twitter.com/ilyasut/status/1726590052392956028

So this was completely unnecessary cock-up -- still ongoing. Without Ilya' vote this would not even be a thing. This is really comical, Naked Gun type mess. Ilya Sutskever is one of the best in the AI research, but everything he and others do related to AI alignment turns into shit without substance. It makes me wonder if AI alignment is possible even in theory, and if it is, maybe it's a bad idea.

We can’t even get people aligned. Thinking we can control a super intelligence seems kind of silly.

Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

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Sam already signed up with Microsoft. A move that surprised me, I figured he would just create OpenAI². Joining a corporate behemoth like Microsoft and all the complications it brings with it will mean a massive reduction in the freedom and innovation that Sam is used to from OpenAI (prior to this mess). Or is Microsoft saying: Here is OpenAI², a Microsoft subsidiary created juste for you guys. You can run it and do…

>Joining a corporate behemoth like Microsoft and all the complications it brings with it will mean a massive reduction in the freedom and innovation that Sam is used to from OpenAI (prior to this mess).

Well.. he requires tens of billions from msft either way. This is not a ramen-scrappy kind of play. Meanwhile, Sam could easily become CEO of Microsoft himself.

At that scale of financing... This is not a bunch of scrappy young lads in a bureaucracy free basement. The whole thing is bigger than most national militaries. There are going to be bureaucracies... And Sam is is able to handle these cats as anyone.

This is a big money, dragon level play. It's not a proverbial yc company kind of thing.

Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

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This whole sequence is such a mess I don't know what to think. Honestly mostly going to wait till we get some tell all posts or leaks about what the reason behind the firing actually was, at least nominally. Maybe it was just a little coup by the board and they're trying to run it back now that the general employee population is at least rumbling about revolting.

Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

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I woke up and the first thing on my mind was, "Any update on the drama?" Did not expect to see this whole thing still escalating! WOW! What a power move by MSFT. I'm not even sure OpenAI will exist by the end of the week at this rate. Holy moly.

Seems more damage control than power move. I'm sure their first choice was to reinstate Altman and get more control over OpenAI governance. What they've achieved here is temporarily neutralizing Altman/Brockman from starting a competitor, at the cost of potentially destroying OpenAI (who they remain dependent on for next couple of years) if too many people quit.

Seems a bit of a lose-lose for MSFT and OpenAI, even if best that MSFT could do to contain the situation. Competitors must be happy.

Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

3 board members (joined by Ilya Sutskever, who is publicly defecting now) found themselves in a position to take over what used to be a 9-member board, and took full control of OpenAI and the subsidiary previously worth $90 billion. Speculation is just on motivation, the facts are easy to establish.

> 3 board members (joined with Ilya Sutskever, who is publicly defecting now) found themselves in a position to take over what used to be a 9-member board, and took full control of OpenAI and the subsidiary previously worth $90 billion. er...what does that even mean? how can a board "take full control" of the thing they are the board for? they already have full control. the actual facts are that the board, by majorit…

I think the post is very clear.

The subject in that sentence that takes full control is “3 members" not "board".

The board has control, but who controls the board changes based on time and circumstances.

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