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Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by Kwpolska »

loveparade wrote: post #290

For a change, maybe it'd be a good idea to get a CEO who at least has faint idea about how ML works on a technical level? Would you like a company that builds rockets to be led by some salesman who doesn't understand basic Physics? Probably not. You don't need to be Hinton or Schmidhuber, but come on, who thinks it's a good idea to have these typical "Silicon Valley VC CEOs" lead an AI company?

The CEO is so far removed from day-to-day operations that there's no benefit in them having an idea about the technical nitty gritty.

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by vaxman »

borissk wrote: post #403
theptip wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The big question in my mind is the reported threat from MSFT to withhold cloud credits (i.e. the actual currency of their $10B investment). Is this true? And are they going to follow through? I don't buy for a second that enough employees will walk to sink the company (though it could be very be disruptive). But for OpenAI, losing a big chunk of their compute could mean they are unable to support their userbase and t…

MS is not going to randomly withhold cloud credits, as OpenAI is going to sue them for billions of damages.

So they should keep buying H100s (and H200s) and pouring billions into their own chips on the expectation that OpenAI will fulfill its contractual obligations under THESE circumstances? If they stop doing that, how long before all of Azure is busy on a money losing chat program under all new leadership that doesn’t have the same plan that was sold to MSFT?

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by zxexz »

ignoramous wrote: post #320
sgregnt wrote: post #311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you please share the sources for Ilyas views?

https://archive.is/yjOmt

For what it's worth, the MIT Technology Review these days is considered to be closer to a "tech tabloid" than an actual news source. I personally would find it hard to believe (on gut instinct, nothing empirical) that AGI has been achieved before we have a general playbook for domain-specific SotA models. And I'm of the 'faction' that AGI can't come soon enough.

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by ytoawwhra92 »

rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote: post #364
voidfunc wrote: post #134

I'm expecting lawsuits in the next day or two from Altman for libel and defamation. I'd be surprised if OpenAI investors don't go to the courts also ASAP.

If they didn't reinstate Sam, Microsoft already threatened to cut off all future funding from OpenAI, (they've only paid 1 out of 10 tranches so far), then sue them, then help Sam poach OpenAI talent at his next venture.

What's your source for that?

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Post by rifty »

roddylindsay wrote: post #121

Contrarian prediction: OpenAI will be just fine. The board will bring in an adult CEO who can balance the nonprofit charter with Microsoft and the commercial business, and who doesn't have a million side projects taking his or her focus away. Some employees will leave but the vast majority will stay for the usual reasons (i.e. inertia), the business will keep growing because ChatGPT is already a worldwide brand at th…

I lean this way too, but how ever it ends up I think this is plainly the better outcome for the potential of the space. OpenAI was on the trajectory to acting like any other company. Now it at least has the chance to act different from every other player. We are all benefactors of this chance at more diversity of motivations in this race.

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Post by idontwantthis »

dragonwriter wrote: post #414
ryanSrich wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can someone explain to me what they mean by "safe" AGI? I've looked in many places and everyone is extremely vague. Certainly no one is suggesting these systems can become "alive", so what exactly are we trying to remain safe from? Job loss?

> Certainly no one is suggesting these systems can become "alive", Lots of people have been publicly suggesting that, and that, if not properly aligned, it poses an existential risk to human civilization; that group includes pretty much the entire founding team of OpenAI, including Altman. The perception of that risk as the downside, as well as the perception that on the other side there is the promise of almost unli…

How does it actually kill a person? When does it stop existing in boxes that require a continuous source of electricity and can’t survive water or fire?

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by wokwokwok »

Honest question:

Other than 1) Microsoft and 2) anyone building a product with the OpenAI api 3) OpenAI employees…

…is OpenAI crashing a burning a big deal?

This seems rather over hyped… everyone has an opinion, everyone cares because OpenAI has a high profile.

…but really, alternatives to chatGPT exist now, and most people will be, really… not affected by this in any meaningful degree.

Isn’t breaking the strangle hold on AI what everyone wanted with open source models last week?

Feels a lot like Twitter; people said it would crash and burn, but really, it’s just a bit rubbish now, and a bunch of other competitors have turned up.

…and competitive pressure is good right?

I predict: what happens will look a lot like what happened with Twitter.

Ultimately, most people will not be affected.

The people who care will leave.

New competitors will turn up.

Life goes on…

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Post by extheat »

rain_iwakura wrote: post #391
loveparade wrote: post #335

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can hate Elon Musk as much as you want, but he absolutely knows a decent amount of Physics and Material Science. That's what he studied and has always wanted to do before PayPal. He even get into a Material Science PhD at Stanford. He drove a lot of the engineering at both Tesla and SpaceX. And without that, probably none of these companies would've worked out.

he never got into stanford. he made that up. there is no record of his admittance. and court records show that stanford dean (under oath) had to admit that they couldn't locate them. do you have source on "drove a lot of engineering" claim? even if you worked at one of these, could you prove the other?

What is novel about driving engineering? It’s obvious he’s a highly involved CEO, and he actually understands and explains engineering decisions all the time. I hear all the time comments like “he doesn’t know anything about making rockets”. Tom Muller regularly has to comment on this noise. https://x.com/lrocket/status/1512919230689148929
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