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Linux has achieved a 3% desktop market share

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Re: Linux has achieved a 3% desktop market share

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Post by eythian »

midoridensha wrote: post #174
thanatos519 wrote: post #81

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Last time I checked, I could run Qt apps on my MATE desktop and Gtk+ apps on my KDE desktop. I prefer X11 because it's mature and works perfectly for me. I might try Wayland sometime, but it had better support all of the weird things I do with X11. More to the point, the choice is a feature, and it comes with a bit of chaos. Would you rather live in an effectively single-party state like Singapore where everything is…

>Would you rather live in an effectively single-party state like Singapore where everything is shiny but you get caned for spitting gum on the street (MacOS) This sounds like a good place to live for me, because I don't spit gum on streets and wouldn't want to live around people who do. What kind of disgusting person would do such a thing? And who chews gum these days? Personally, I think this is a terrible analogy.…

The Dutch government literally collapsed a couple of days ago.

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Post by hardware2win »

notorandit wrote: post #353
hardware2win wrote: post #252

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>Windows, on the other side, has a basically monolithic environment in the name of ... dunno what. Consistency, stability?

Stability and consistency is a Windows illusion. Can you run a Windows PC for months without rebooting (no OS update)? To me it's more market grip on people that prefers chains to freedom, not thinking to thinking.

I dont know, Im always turning my computer off when not using.

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Post by ashton314 »

sokoloff wrote: post #321
ashton314 wrote: post #100

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Things that I’ve paid money for that I would sorely miss moving from macOS to Linux: - MoneyWell - Omnigraffle - Keynote (I like my glossy presentations) I know I’m missing a few. I love and monetarily support free software, but man… some of these apps get a lot of love and it’d be hard to leave.

Isn’t keynote “free” (as in beer is included with your macOS meal)?

Sure… But I like to think of it as “included” with the high price of a Mac.

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Post by surajrmal »

Gordonjcp wrote: post #312
DeathArrow wrote: post #274

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>However, make the next Minecraft, Fortnite or Roblox work only (or considerably better) on Linux desktop And lose lots of money in that process. :) And what Linux OS should you target? Ubuntu, Fedora, Linux Mint, Arch, Android? Target KDE or Gnome? Or maybe XFCE? X Windows or Wayland? Use ALSA, Pipewire or Pulse Audio? Bionic or glibc?

> And what Linux OS should you target? Linux is an OS. It doesn't matter which distro you pick, because they're all the same.

Steam runs games inside of a container to provide a consistent environment for the game. It largely ignores the OS and only uses the kernel as a result. Linux distros have tons of differences that make it otherwise untenable to target. You need an army of package maintainers to maintain per distro packages and sort out differences which seems to work for oss, but doesn't for commercial closed source software.

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Post by kaba0 »

dTal wrote: post #447
kaba0 wrote: post #218

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Yeah, systemd is definitely there to lure in the casual users..

It's not so much that systemd is designed to lure in casual users, it's that it (like other software on the list) reflects an attitude that separates "developers" who decide how a system should work, from "users" who have to take what's given to them. This stands in opposition to the traditional unixy world order, where the two groups are one and the same "hackers".

How exactly does the completely customizable systemd does any of that?

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Post by JohnFen »

bruce511 wrote: post #68
DiabloD3 wrote: post #49

I wonder why they keep making these articles. Linux is on more computers both today and all of the computers ever made put together than any other OS. It is on virtually all servers on the Internet, the majority OS on phones, its in many TVs and STBs and streaming sticks, its one of the few OSes ever in space, its one of the few OSes ever on Mars, and it is also the OS behind ChromeOS (which that article mistakenly b…

And yet not having a presence on the desktop stings a bit doesn't it :). You can conquer the world, dominate every space and yet there's thus little voice inside saying "but you're not good enough. See over there, in that one space, you're a weakling. " Welcome to the human condition.

> And yet not having a presence on the desktop stings a bit doesn't it

No. In fact, as a Linux user, I'm happy that Linux doesn't have a major share of the desktop. If it did, then I think it would have a terrible (to me) effect on the direction of Linux development, because it would be more tempting to aim for the most common denominator, and we already have good options for the most common denominator.

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Post by JohnFen »

Luctct wrote: post #445
jacquesm wrote: post #236

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> What stung before was that people were forced to use Windows because of lock-ins, software compatibility, etc. That doesn’t really exist any more. That's a funny conclusion to make. In the business world that still exists and even my kids are forced into the Microsoft eco-system by their school because the software they insist you run (for which perfectly good web alternatives exist) only runs on windows.

People aren't forced, they choose it. They are clueless about technology and don't trust anything that may look like a dark horse. They want reassurance. It's not just the "enterprise" or corporate world. Home users have that mentality. Mac computers cost an arm and a leg and people still pay for it because the advertising machine has hammered it into the heads that "it just works." Most people only trust big brands.…

> People aren't forced, they choose it.

I'm forced to use it at work. :(

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Post by Zambyte »

eddieroger wrote: post #405
DiabloD3 wrote: post #49

I wonder why they keep making these articles. Linux is on more computers both today and all of the computers ever made put together than any other OS. It is on virtually all servers on the Internet, the majority OS on phones, its in many TVs and STBs and streaming sticks, its one of the few OSes ever in space, its one of the few OSes ever on Mars, and it is also the OS behind ChromeOS (which that article mistakenly b…

> 19XX will be the year of Linux on the desktop > 20XX will be the year of Linux on the desktop They've been saying it so long it's part of our psyche. It doesn't matter the other places Linux is running, it hasn't conquered that one place they've been trying to conquer since the start. You never get over the one who got away.

> it hasn't conquered that one place they've been trying to conquer since the start.

Who is "they" here?

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Post by nani8ot »

Luctct wrote: post #445
jacquesm wrote: post #236

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> What stung before was that people were forced to use Windows because of lock-ins, software compatibility, etc. That doesn’t really exist any more. That's a funny conclusion to make. In the business world that still exists and even my kids are forced into the Microsoft eco-system by their school because the software they insist you run (for which perfectly good web alternatives exist) only runs on windows.

People aren't forced, they choose it. They are clueless about technology and don't trust anything that may look like a dark horse. They want reassurance. It's not just the "enterprise" or corporate world. Home users have that mentality. Mac computers cost an arm and a leg and people still pay for it because the advertising machine has hammered it into the heads that "it just works." Most people only trust big brands.…

If a school requires Windows, students are forced to use it. Not changing schools isn't "choosing" Windows.

But yes, I'm always surprised how many people buy things introduced to them in ads.

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Post by JohnFen »

holoduke wrote: post #232
DeathArrow wrote: post #216

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> If there is one good thing about web apps, it’s that browsers are now the application run time and browsers are more cross platform than any software libraries that have come before it. I'd take every day a native app running locally over a web app. And I am a web developer.

Not anymore. Last gen phones have enough performance to run webapps without a single loss in performance, look and feel compared to native apps. Native apps will remain, but you see more and more SPAs wrapped in a hybrid app still maintaining a 'native'look. Costs of developing webapps is dramatically lower. Although native knowledge is still required for Auth, billing, advertising and other required native stuff.

> Last gen phones have enough performance to run webapps without a single loss in performance [...]

This makes no sense. If webapps run without a loss in performance, then you don't need increased hardware performance in order to see the difference.

> [...] compared to native apps.

This simply isn't true. Run a well-designed webapp and a well-designed native app on the same platform. You'll see a difference in performance.

> you see more and more SPAs wrapped in a hybrid app still maintaining a 'native'look.

I'm still waiting to see even one example of this.

> Costs of developing webapps is dramatically lower.

True. But it comes at a cost to quality.

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