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Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

Fradow wrote: post #419
paganel wrote: post #385

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apartments generally have a lack of EV chargers. That's the trick, people living in apartments are not supposed to own and operate their own cars going forward. As a live in an apartment myself I wasn't aware of that fact at the beginning, I kept asking myself: "how am I supposed to charge my car if I'm living on the 8th floor?". Turns out I was looking at the whole thing through the wrong lenses. What's really per…

Small caveat: as an apartment dweller, the way to own and operate my own car is to rent an underground parking space, which will, in time, be retrofitted with a charging plug. On the other hand, that's definitely more expensive than street parking and not everyone will be able to afford it, so your statement is overall correct for the majority of people.

> is to rent an underground parking space

assuming you find one at an affordable rate.

Where I live there are no available parking spaces, and parking garages are all fully booked, but even if they weren't, you can't install your own charger.

There are a few properties on sale, but the starting price is around 40 thousand euros for 16 square meters.

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Post by sebzim4500 »

Xenoamorphous wrote: post #275

I’m really surprised about this. I live in the capital city of an European country (~50M people) and I don’t think I’ve seen even one, maybe it’s not sold here? I see a fair number of model 3 and a few S, though.

There are a fair few of them in London, mainly model 3s I think.

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Post by Randomizer42 »

mikeryan wrote: post #137

One thing that EV's have an advantage of is the reduced footprint of their drivetrain. The primary bulk of an EV is the massive battery that usually spans the bottom of the car opening up space in the interior or the ubiquitous EV "frunk" this makes for a more spacious interior and the Y takes advantage of this well. That being said it seems that 2023 is the year of the EV, my family is currently in the market for a…

I will never buy a T$LA product. Garbage products, turd of a CEO.

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

sundvor wrote: post #384
jancsika wrote: post #148

Translation: luxury vehicles are the future of car sales. Model Y is 2 times as expensive as a Corolla. Plus you can go and find an older Corolla with 100k+ miles on it and pay perhaps $5k cash for it, then drive it for another 50-100k. I don't see people in the service industry picking up a used Tesla, now or in the foreseeable future.

It might be "2 times as expensive" up front, but not for the TCO. People really need to remember maintenance costs over the ownership period. In a Tesla all you're really paying for is tyre rotation / alignment / rubber replacements, and air filters. Plus the electricity, in place of fuel. The savings add up significantly.

> In a Tesla all you're really paying for is tyre rotation

I change my tires every 20,000-25,000 kms

for me it means every 3 years

my car runs on LPG, which is half the price of gas

Never ever done any particular kind of maintenance in over 10 years.

You can buy 6-7 brand new "my cars" with the money spent on a Tesla.

Yes, it's a cheap car, I chose it exactly because it's cheap and robust, I use it in a city, I park it on the road, there's no need for a >45k car, I would argue it's borderline stupid to buy a very expensive EV to drive it in a city.

EVs are expensive by default, their TCO might be lower in perfect ideal scenarios, until you run into an issue, most of the cost is due the complexity, non-EV cars are much much much dumber and simpler.

You can't independently fix an EV, there's no way.

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Post by xmcqdpt2 »

elcomet wrote: post #432
gambiting wrote: post #418

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>>people living in apartments are not supposed to own and operate their own cars going forward. That's such a weird thing to say. What do you mean not supposed to own? For healthy young people - ok, fine, fair enough. How about the disabled? The old and frail? People with kids? People who drive for work? Where are the above meant to park and charge? And please don't say these usecases are going to be replaced with au…

Public transport should be better than driving if you're old or frail.

Or have sight problems, or are currently drinking, or have inner ear issues, or epilepsy, or are very tired, or want to read a good book, or...

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Post by ourmandave »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #171
jancsika wrote: post #148

Translation: luxury vehicles are the future of car sales. Model Y is 2 times as expensive as a Corolla. Plus you can go and find an older Corolla with 100k+ miles on it and pay perhaps $5k cash for it, then drive it for another 50-100k. I don't see people in the service industry picking up a used Tesla, now or in the foreseeable future.

> I don't see people in the service industry picking up a used Tesla, now or in the foreseeable future. Purchase price, you've already touched on. You can't even get a USED Tesla for under $20K. The second problem is charging. Apartments generally have a lack of EV chargers.

You can't even get a USED Tesla for under $20K.

And who wants to buy a used Tesla (or any EV) even if the price was competitive?

The range degrades with the battery and replacing it costs more than the car is worth.

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

sib wrote: post #180
jancsika wrote: post #148

Translation: luxury vehicles are the future of car sales. Model Y is 2 times as expensive as a Corolla. Plus you can go and find an older Corolla with 100k+ miles on it and pay perhaps $5k cash for it, then drive it for another 50-100k. I don't see people in the service industry picking up a used Tesla, now or in the foreseeable future.

>> Model Y is 2 times as expensive as a Corolla. Which makes it that much more impressive that the Model Y outsells the Corolla...

there are no State issued EV bonuses/tax rebates for the Corolla.

if there were, Corolla would outsell Tesla Y by a large margin.

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Post by yurishimo »

andruby wrote: post #372
jmcphers wrote: post #240

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I test drove a Tesla and an EV6 and wound up with the EV6. Tesla's got a lot going for them but their lead is quickly evaporating.

I looked at both too, and bought a model Y. What were the deciding factors for you? I liked the Tesla software and easy supercharger access. The model Y also felt more spacious, especially in the trunk. I would summarise it as a much better UX in the model Y.

The supercharger access is only a factor in the US. Some people really enjoy the vehicle-to-load capabilities of the EV-6. Aesthetics both internally and externally I think are bit nicer on the EV-6, but that's subjective.

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Post by kbos87 »

k8sToGo wrote: post #7

I am not considering them because they keep taking away more and more (hardware) features over the years. No parking sensors is an instant no buy for me. Already had horrible experiences with their vision based wiper automation.

Agree that vision based wipers are meh. I think it has something to do with the position of the front facing cameras behind the windshield; water seems to just hit that spot differently vs where you look out.

My experience with the vision based parking system so far has been great though. The experience is pretty much the same in the vehicle as it was with ultrasonic sensors. There is also a pile of YouTube videos where you can see people testing weird scenarios and checking the on-screen distance from objects with a tape measure. It’s pretty solid.

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