Its sad that the chans are running free while TikTok is the thing being banned. Americorp is the worst leader of the west that there could be.
Senate Bill to Ban TikTok
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Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok
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It sounds like your argument is, The government can be a force for good for people who aren't capable of making rational decisions.
Exactly and young people lack the life experience to comprehend the long-term risks associated with surrendering their private data to the CCP or being exposed to sophisticated disinformation campaigns over time. So it is incumbent on the govt to protect their long-term interests. And to also ensure that trade relationships are fair and equitable (which it currently isnt).
I fail to see how free markets work if people aren't rational actors. We might as well have a communist economy if we can't count on that.
Besides, anytime we see the government intervene on matters like this, we're reminded how they make it worse.
Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok
#453Earlier quoted context omitted.
The data isn’t the risk, it’s more the ability for CCP to leverage influence. https://stratechery.com/2020/the-tiktok-war/ Dialing up things to cause unrest, dialing down stuff critical of the CCP. It’s not an issue about data, or even an issue about speech, it’s an issue of ownership of a media company by an adversary that will weaponize it against you. Who controls and owns media companies is a reasonable national…
I think this attitude is wrong. A strong democracy doesn't need to fight "fake news" legally and doesn't need their own propaganda op in foreign states like Radio Free Asia etc. If you are banning foreign media in your own country, you are doing the same as China in the end. Why not establish a great firewall?
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Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok
#454Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the RESTRICT Act is the one being held up as the ban bill because it's bipartisan and considered most likely to 1) actually move to a vote because of that and 2) creates a legal framework for a ban rather than just implementing one which is likely to be unwound by a court and found unconstitutional without it
Why is S.85 likely to be unwound by the courts? It's with a different committee and cites a different act for its legal authority.
Courts (especially the current SCOTUS) seem pretty wary of expanding executive authority granted ambiguously under acts like the "International Emergency Economic Powers Act." Just my 2c.
Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok
#455Maybe someone will scroll all the way down to this comment. Probably not. For half a decade, I have lived outside of the US, and I've watched as it has fallen to shit in slow motion. I make a decent chunk of income in USD and this terrifies me... but this. This move saddens me. There are only so many hours that congress has to make real decisions ... and this, this is what they spent their time on? Talking about how…
My feelings are very much the opposite. Republicans and Democrats can hardly ever work together to get something positive accomplished. Banning TikTok--an app which is perhaps the largest psyop against the US population in history--is a breath of fresh air.
Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok
#456Earlier quoted context omitted.
Possibly. But, many countries are formally US allies, with deep security integration. So an American owned application is not as threatening as a Chinese owned application. America also generally allows businesses and media from foreign companies to take part, whereas China has no such reciprocity. Security arrangements are real things that can't be merely handwaved away as something that "should" not exist in one's…
Put more bluntly: Even the likes of Facebook and Google are, ostensibly and ultimately, operating for western interests. The likes of Tiktok operately strictly for Chinese interests, and Chinese interests do not align with western interests.
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Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok
#457Maybe someone will scroll all the way down to this comment. Probably not. For half a decade, I have lived outside of the US, and I've watched as it has fallen to shit in slow motion. I make a decent chunk of income in USD and this terrifies me... but this. This move saddens me. There are only so many hours that congress has to make real decisions ... and this, this is what they spent their time on? Talking about how…
> There are only so many hours that congress has to make real decisions ... and this, this is what they spent their time on? Talking about how 'kids' might be influenced by an algorithm when they're being influenced every day by how they might get shot up in math class?
What do you think causes kids to shoot up their math class?
Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok
#458Earlier quoted context omitted.
The data isn’t the risk, it’s more the ability for CCP to leverage influence. https://stratechery.com/2020/the-tiktok-war/ Dialing up things to cause unrest, dialing down stuff critical of the CCP. It’s not an issue about data, or even an issue about speech, it’s an issue of ownership of a media company by an adversary that will weaponize it against you. Who controls and owns media companies is a reasonable national…
I think this attitude is wrong. A strong democracy doesn't need to fight "fake news" legally and doesn't need their own propaganda op in foreign states like Radio Free Asia etc. If you are banning foreign media in your own country, you are doing the same as China in the end. Why not establish a great firewall?
A strong democracy does as it pleases within its democratic laws
Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok
#459Earlier quoted context omitted.
Possibly. But, many countries are formally US allies, with deep security integration. So an American owned application is not as threatening as a Chinese owned application. America also generally allows businesses and media from foreign companies to take part, whereas China has no such reciprocity. Security arrangements are real things that can't be merely handwaved away as something that "should" not exist in one's…
Put more bluntly: Even the likes of Facebook and Google are, ostensibly and ultimately, operating for western interests. The likes of Tiktok operately strictly for Chinese interests, and Chinese interests do not align with western interests.
Western media firms don't operate for 'western' interests. Fox and friends, for instance, are actively trying to undermine western civilization[1], and I'll be damned if they are doing it for my own good.
They operate for their own interests, which are almost always directly at odds with the interests of the people who actually live in the west.
[1] I have exactly as much evidence for this as you do for your claim.
Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok
#460Maybe someone will scroll all the way down to this comment. Probably not. For half a decade, I have lived outside of the US, and I've watched as it has fallen to shit in slow motion. I make a decent chunk of income in USD and this terrifies me... but this. This move saddens me. There are only so many hours that congress has to make real decisions ... and this, this is what they spent their time on? Talking about how…
Sadly, it has nothing to do with "talking about how 'kids' might be influenced by an algorithm", because if it did, they would be trying to ban Facebook, Instagram, and other social media services that have the exact same effect as TikTok on children. This is really meant to be a punch in the fight against China. US government does not want any possibility of US citizens' data being in the hands of China and their qu…
This. I had this very conversation today. I dislike applying rules not across the board. I would love if the same argument applied to TikTok, were applied to other social media.
However, this is not about the arguments presented. Those are merely talking points as a way to get an upper hand on China. That is it. It is annoying, because there is actually a dire need to make children a little less addicted to screens ( not to mention the chance to get some privacy ).