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Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by eviks »

nrp wrote: post #216
tzarc wrote: post #118

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As one of the QMK Firmware maintainers, it's great to see you're going ahead with the customisable side of things even on the input side. Might I suggest engaging with QMK early so that we can avoid the usual manufacturer "hey can you merge this, we've shipped already and forgot to raise the PR until now"?

Absolutely! We’ve been chatting with Jack Humbert, and he’s actually been prototyping an ortholinear keyboard module for the Framework Laptop 16. There are likely some photos of it in press articles about the event today.

That's great news, any chance for an orthostaggered module as our fingers have different lengths for a linear one (or maybe that's what you meant with just terminology slip)

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by vladvasiliu »

znpy wrote: post #220
vladvasiliu wrote: post #142

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Not OP, but in my case, I'd love an HS part without a dGPU. I'm typing this on a 5650U and its integrated GPU is overkill for what I do. Hell, until a year ago, I used to daily drive an i5-6500 with an HD530 with a 4k display and I never felt limited by the GPU. But I do use the CPU from time to time, so a beefier part would be useful. I would rather not pay for a dGPU which I'd use maybe 1% of the time, and which wo…

i don't play videogames and i don't do ai/ml, video editing or whatever. i spend most of my time in firefox and in terminals. i do use virtual machines quite a lot to test stuff around, so high cores count and high memory would be a plus for me. but an nvidia gpu is a deal breaker for me. I just don't want it. I don't need it, i don't use it, it just makes the whole thing less usable. and it draws a lot power that i'…

> edit: regarding amd gpus... i'm not sure. i've been told they work with open source drivers, but still it's a power usage i would happily avoid.

I have an RX5600 and an AMD Zen3 with integrated GPU (in separate computers). Both work perfectly under Linux with AMD's in-tree drivers.

I don't have a multi-GPU PC, so I don't know what the switching situation is.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by tracker1 »

distances wrote: post #449
tracker1 wrote: post #433

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I've setup a handful of MinusForum 5900HX boxes the past couple years, and thet've been surprisingly capable. I'm using one for my homeserver (docker, wireguard, pihole, etc) for about a year. They can definitely be OP for what they might be used for and more than enough for typical facebook, email, youtube content consumption. Definitely happy to see Framework offering 3D models for retired boards and an upgrade pat…

And that model is already overkill for typical office usage. MinisForum UM350 is very snappy for browsing, office software, YouTube etc. 16GB of memory and very reasonable pricing.

Oh completely agreed... One was for a friend who is using it as a backup dev box, and the other was for my MiL, whose computer broke, and I hadn't set it up as my home server yet.

Mainly stating, that a laptop cpu from the past couple gen are definitely nothing to turn a nose up at in terms of ability. The 5900HX outpaces an older i7-4790K and uses a fraction of the wall power and space. Especially, when they're headless in a closet.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by ManUtopiK »

nrp wrote: post #216
tzarc wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As one of the QMK Firmware maintainers, it's great to see you're going ahead with the customisable side of things even on the input side. Might I suggest engaging with QMK early so that we can avoid the usual manufacturer "hey can you merge this, we've shipped already and forgot to raise the PR until now"?

Absolutely! We’ve been chatting with Jack Humbert, and he’s actually been prototyping an ortholinear keyboard module for the Framework Laptop 16. There are likely some photos of it in press articles about the event today.

And do you know for the Framework Laptop 13 ?

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by happymellon »

nrp wrote: post #320
porphyra wrote: post #316

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The $449 Intel 1340p or AMD Ryzen mainboard seems to be attractively priced against other barebones mini PCs and the Mac Mini too!

Absolutely. We really hope to see the secondary market emerge as well. As Framework Laptop owners upgrade to new Mainboards, we want to make sure those old Mainboards either get reused by the same person, or resold to another user who can make use of it as a PC.

I have old laptops that would be good enough to be a server, and low power enough that they probably should replace my current home server. Just a shame they don't have a Framework like backing for them!

I think the only thing I didn't see was larger clickpads on the 16" laptop. I'm assuming this is all modular enough that once it comes along, I can just replace the wrist pad.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by patrickkidger »

nrp wrote: post #321
Haegin wrote: post #318

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I'd love someone to do a split ortholinear keyboard on a laptop. That'd probably push it to instant buy for me almost regardless of the rest of the specs etc.

Split ortholinear is possible. We didn't show this, but it is technically possible to build an Input Module for the Framework Laptop 16 that is full width, giving a lot of horizontal real estate for a split layout.

+1 to the sibling comments for a split keyboard option.

(Preferably a proper version with thumb clusters.)

At least for me, that would make this laptop a must-buy.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by Floegipoky »

tiberriver256 wrote: post #416
nrp wrote: post #321

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Split ortholinear is possible. We didn't show this, but it is technically possible to build an Input Module for the Framework Laptop 16 that is full width, giving a lot of horizontal real estate for a split layout.

As a dev with hands that won't let me use a standard laptop keyboard for more than a few minutes without being in pain, this is so needed. It would be so good to be mobile again.

I'm curious what you found that helped alleviate your pain? For me it was the kinesis advantage.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by [deleted] »

gautamcgoel wrote: post #401
ithrow wrote: post #336

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For $300 you can get an i5-13400 and a board though.

You can buy this combo for $450, maybe for $400, but I don't see how you can get it for $300. The processor alone seems to go for >$240, and I don't see how you can hope to get a compatible motherboard for <$60.

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Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by justsomehnguy »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #302
justsomehnguy wrote: post #246

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That's only until the machine in question is 5000km away and the soonest time you can get to it is in the three months. Sure, for personal usage there is almost no usage for the HW RAID, but when you need to make sure what the system would always boot and it can't be serviced in hours/days - then you have almost no options for SW RAID.

Incorrect. No problem to put /boot on a raid1 on a small partition across all drives, so that any drive can boot, and no problem to even include a whole self-contained remotely accessible recovery os. It's a little bit more work to set up, but if you are professing a need for that, then a little extra setup is de rigueur. I remotely administered a ton of linux boxes in racks scattered across the US like that for year…

> Incorrect

Did you even read my comment? It's quite clear what your environment was in the data-centers, with spares and remote hands.

Mine wasn't and then I say three months I don't kid or jest.

> No problem to put /boot on a raid1 on a small partition across all drives

This is exactly the problem. If the drive isn't totally dead (like it doesn't even respond to IDENT) then there is a chance what the BIOS/UEFI would try to boot from it and even succeed in that (ie would load the MBR/boot app) and then there is no way to alter the boot process at this point. HW RAID card provides a single boot point and handle the failing drives by itself, never exposing those shenanigans to the upper level.

Like sure, you are happy with your setup, you never had a bad experience with it, you always had OOB management and remote hands - but it doesn't means what it a silver bullet working 100% of times for everyone.

Yes, I've seen systems with SW/fake RAID failed to boot because the boot process failed after selecting a half-dead drive as a boot device, with my own eyes. Thankfully I was geographically close to them, not 5000km away.

Yes, I serviced and prepared systems for the 5000km away divisions and they are really serviced only a couple of months in a year, all other time you need an extremely urgent reasons why do you need to a rent a heavy 'copter to go there. No, there is no remote-hands there. The maximum point of IT-competency there is raking bills with satellite Internet.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by WindyMiller »

_heimdall wrote: post #426
frereubu wrote: post #415

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I'm not stating an opinion on this one way or the other, but the language preferred by some people now is "people who give birth" rather than "mother" because it's seen as gender-specific (i.e. there are trans men who can still give birth). I hear them use this on podcasts occasionally, and heard one where they flagged in advance that interviewees had used the word "mother".

This is a confusing one to me, honestly. The act of giving birth is so closely tied to the genetic and biological definition of one's sex I'm not sure why it would fall into the same category of terms that can be offensive based on the gender one associates with.

It's more a matter of precision than offence. Trans men who give birth aside, there are lots of mothers who didn't give birth (adoptive mothers; lesbians whose partners give birth). 'Mothers' simply isn't the same category as 'people who have given birth'.

Plus, if what you're talking about is the experience of pregnancy and giving birth, then it makes sense to focus on that, rather than on the much wider experience of motherhood.

To me, it's more confusing that some people insist on using less precise terms because they find the idea of inclusivity offensive.

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