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IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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I'm out of the loop on that one, what are you referring to?

He's referring to the fact that SpaceX are trying to abide by weapons export restrictions, so they are trying to prevent Ukraine from using Starlink from drones etc.

That is a spin which leaves out the moralising I think.

This is a newspaper quote: "A senior Ukrainian presidential aide has reacted with anger after Elon Musk’s SpaceX said it had taken steps to prevent its Starlink satellite communications service from controlling drones, which are critical to Kyiv’s forces in fighting off the Russian invasion."

'Gwynne Shotwell, SpaceX’s chief operating officer, said at a conference in the US that the surprise decision had been taken because it had never been the company’s intention to allow Starlink to be used “for offensive purposes”. '

That's quite an interesting claim as I wonder what one would expect from people fighting desperately to save their country. It was at the least going to be used for command and control.

'Shotwell said Starlink was “never, never meant to be weaponised” by Ukraine, although it cannot come as a surprise to the company as Kyiv’s military has been using it to pilot drones for months. “Ukrainians have leveraged it in ways that were unintentional and not part of any agreement,” she added.'

'She said SpaceX was able to take measures to curb Ukraine’s use of the technology to pilot drones, although it was not immediately clear what those were and whether Kyiv’s military could work around them.'

'The row is not the first between Ukraine and Musk. Last October, Musk asked Twitter users to vote on a poll for Russia-Ukraine peace that included Ukraine handing over Crimea and allowing UN-supervised referendums on whether Moscow could keep other land it had occupied after its unprovoked invasion.'

I think it's reasonable to say that Starlink is far from the ideal solution now and you can also see why it's going to be essential for there to be competitors no matter what the economics are - perhaps national ones with only local coverage. Why would anyone build any reliance on a system which is controlled from afar and suddenly becomes unreliable when it's needed the most?

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Do you have anything of substance to contribute, `edgyquant`?

Yes, precisely like that.

Again, useless fluff. It is more enjoyable for everyone involved when you produce signal and not noise.

Comments which can be adequately summarized as "nuh uh" are noise. There is no information whatsoever being communicated with such low-effort posts.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Too little, too expensive, too late? Once again the EU is playing catch up with last gen tech. Starlink is almost 10 years old - conceptually even older. Iridium has been around for over 25 years. If the EU was serious, it should have invested proactively in next gen satellite direct to device tech that is around the corner in the US. AST SpaceMobile is close to starting commercial activity for satellite based 5G tha…

This direct to device tech is going to suck based on everything I’ve read so far. The radios in phones are so weak and undirected that getting 128kbps is going to be a challenge, let alone anything near what’s required to watch video. Look at the gymnastics you have to do to use SOS on iPhone now.

Let's see. ASTS claims to have solved this problem. Apparently their satellites have 30mbit+/s throughput with regular 5G smartphones at Also, I imagine 5G satellites will be of interest to the DoD.

Anyway, the main point I was trying to make is: EU competition is so far behind (even conceptually) that they are playing catch up with 10 year old tech instead of looking where the puck might be going.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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> where do you live on the light polltion map Class 2. I can just appreciate the night sky with satellites in it. (They’re fun to watch.) > to what degree they mess up long exposure visible astronomy shots, or the noise they make for radio astronomy One is a luxury pass-time. For the other, there are workarounds.

The Desert Fireball network is visible astronomy used to find rocks on the ground within 24 hours of impact - thus delivering insights into the early formation of the solar system and occasionally insights into extra solar material. I think of it more as science than as a luxury pass time but you're welcome to your opinion. Streaking trains of LEO sats are a damn nuisance.

> think of it more as science than as a luxury pass time but you're welcome to your opinion

There may be a niche for an open-source error-correcting model. These birds’ orbits are known and can be filtered from public databases. If you’re tracking meteors, you’re collecting enough data to project those orbits onto your field of vision and thus remove them as false positives.

For the luxury of taking beautiful photos, I unfortunately have nothing. (Though again, I find their paths pretty.) For the other, there are workarounds.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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I live in Bortle class 3 and I don't notice more satellites now when star gazing then I remember 10 years ago. The hundreds of starlink satellites are totally invisible to me, except sometimes right after launch. A starlink satellite train is amazing to watch and I'd love to see it a few more times. EDIT The light pollution that really bothers me is the terrestrial light pollution. There's several cities within an ho…

FWiW I'm deep in class one area with no human glows on the horizon at night .. and in a large radio quiet zone - save fromn the chatter of unsheilded LEO sats above. Some are switched off on over pass, many aren't. I look forward to when all constellations are set to shut up when over head and the their surface an attitude are altered to minise reflection.

> when all constellations are set to shut up when over head

Total off is unreasonable, but a safety mode where chatter is reduced is doable. Particularly with LEO constellations. This could be done by e.g. the FAA, perhaps even solely through rulemaking.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Those thousands won't get blamed personally if it fails. But Musk will be.

What are you talking about, CEOs take no responsebility. Look at any recent disasters caused by companies, such as recent train crash with a toxic spill, boeing Max scandal, BP oil spill, 2008, anything. Where has the CEO been personally punished? Or does your idea of 'blamed' mean people will write something mean on twitter? the press announce ment where CEO of Boeing took full responsebility for Boeing Max failure,…

Being blamed has nothing to do with taking responsibility.

In this case, being blamed means that everyone will attribute the failure to him personally and say more nasty things about him and people will stop investing in his companies.

It would probably also quarter his net worth.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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post #84

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Those thousands won't get blamed personally if it fails. But Musk will be.

Sure. I guess just like Musk got blamed personally for his screw up with Twitter employees all over the world? He did a whole bunch of illegal stuff there, I'm still waiting to see consequences.

If they were actually illegal then we should see some settlements or court cases resolved over the next year or three. The justice system moves slowly.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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I agree, but in the capitalistic economy that we unfortunately live in, competition is the only thing that will lower prices.

Competition is almost the only thing that has ever lowered prices, raised wages, raised quality and invented new things. It's weird to demonise competition.

Yeah under capitalism that’s sometimes true. Otherwise, Cuba has great doctors and great medicine for example. A lot of America’s competition is BS. Companies behaving like cartels is more common.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Competition is almost the only thing that has ever lowered prices, raised wages, raised quality and invented new things. It's weird to demonise competition.

Yeah under capitalism that’s sometimes true. Otherwise, Cuba has great doctors and great medicine for example. A lot of America’s competition is BS. Companies behaving like cartels is more common.

> Companies behaving like cartels is more common.

Companies can start to behave like a government and reduce or eliminate competition, it's true. I don't think it's proportionally a big effect, but happy to read sources.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Genuine question, what do you mean by “Musk’s condition”?

They mean he disagrees with them politically. By American standards, musk is still left wing and just doing what many Americans are either indifferent to (setting Twitter prices) or broadly agree with (his distaste for 'woke'ism).

What are you saying? Why make stuff up? Musk isn’t left wing any where. He’s obviously a right winger. He’s always been a right winger outside America. Now he’s finally a right winger here too.
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