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Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by andyferris »

stedaniels wrote: post #340
dragonwriter wrote: post #306

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> What does it mean to be worst-in-class for text chat Poor discoverability of, basically, everything, paste doesn’t support standard options like pasting text only without formatting, so cutting and pasting from format documents takes either manual format correction or using a third app to paste without formatting and the cut again to avoid the ransom-note look. Formatting that supports Markdown entry (kind of), but…

What platform are you on? Doesn’t CTRL+SHIFT+V work for you?

Ctrl-shift-V definitely does something different to Ctrl-V but it will still “helpfully” autoformat your input (mostly adjust indentation - removing white space for example) which kinda defeats the purpose in almost all circumstances beyond pasting a single line of english.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by foepys »

wvenable wrote: post #249
dragonwriter wrote: post #238

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Teams is minimally usable, but its pretty much worst-in-class for…everything it does. It’s two compelling selling points seem to be (1) that “nobody every got fired for buying IBM” now applies to Microsoft more than IBM, and (2) moreover, users don’t actually buy Teams qua Teams, they get a Microsoft 365 subscriptions for some of the things where Microsoft has not-worst-in-class solutions, and Teams comes along for t…

What does it mean to be worst-in-class for text chat or video conferencing. Video conferences look and sound great. Text chat is text chat. What am I missing here that's so awful?

The desktop app is crap.

I dare you to scroll up in a chat with links, images, or gifs. It's so yanky, it's impossible to find anything.

Or search for a message you know is in a specific context. You will not be able to open the message in its context, only the message itself. Useless.

Or call somebody and then try to use the media keys on your keyboard. They won't work and instead play the Teams ringtone twice (or sometimes infinitely).

Or check the online status of your contacts. Spoiler: they are accurate only 50% of the time, sometimes showing a different status of a person on the same screen (e.g. contact list and chat).

Or try to switch chats quickly. It is so unnervingly slow.

Or try to react to a new message with an emoji with 125% scaling on. You cannot do it because the selection popup is like 30 pixels high because it opens downwards, not upwards.

Or try to share a 2560x1440 or higher screen with more than 0.5 fps over a gigabit connection.

Or try to remotely control another PC over Teams screen share and press Ctrl+, or Ctrl+Shift+Space or simply Tab. All those are getting caught by Teams, sometimes they are forwarded, sometimes not, but they always call a function in Teams and open various menus. All those are integral shortcuts in Microsoft Visual Studio, by the way.

Or try to copy text of a message you got, you will always have the name of the sender and timestamp in the clipboard, which requires me to paste it into a text editor first to copy and paste only the text into e.g. a single line search bar.

Or try to compile and just use Teams at the same time. MSN was more performant on a 450 MHz PC 20 years ago.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by HillRat »

ThaDood wrote: post #393
blibble wrote: post #343

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> Is Teams great? No. Its better than what I used before it though dare I ask what you used before?

We went from HipChat to Teams and Teams is much better.

Yeah, we also went HipChat + Skype -> Teams, and once one gets used to it, it's fine (and certainly better than XMPP hell). Teams' search was always problematic, but for our organizational use case (moderately long-lived chat rooms for the duration or sales or projects, with lots of conference calls), it was actually more usable than Slack or Zoom. Conversely, Slack seems much more effective for coordinating in-house tech teams handling ephemeral discussions. Horses for courses and all that.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by wvenable »

imron wrote: post #450
wvenable wrote: post #249

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What does it mean to be worst-in-class for text chat or video conferencing. Video conferences look and sound great. Text chat is text chat. What am I missing here that's so awful?

Here’s an example: Let’s say there’s a chat message with a sentence or two I want to copy/paste elsewhere. I highlight just the text I want and hit copy, and then when I go to paste, Teams has ‘helpfully’ copied not just the highlighted text but also the rest of the message and the metadata such as who wrote the message and the time stamp. Every day using teams I encounter things like this that frustrate and annoy me…

I just tested this in Teams right now and it only copies the text I highlighted. I tried it both on the native client and in Chrome. If you select multiple messages, it will copy the whole message with one line of meta data but that seems pretty reasonable to me as that is also highlighted.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by flir »

wvenable wrote: post #249
dragonwriter wrote: post #238

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Teams is minimally usable, but its pretty much worst-in-class for…everything it does. It’s two compelling selling points seem to be (1) that “nobody every got fired for buying IBM” now applies to Microsoft more than IBM, and (2) moreover, users don’t actually buy Teams qua Teams, they get a Microsoft 365 subscriptions for some of the things where Microsoft has not-worst-in-class solutions, and Teams comes along for t…

What does it mean to be worst-in-class for text chat or video conferencing. Video conferences look and sound great. Text chat is text chat. What am I missing here that's so awful?

If you go Away, it stops bothering to show you new incoming messages. It gets especially confused on Mac with Universal Control.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by briffle »

jacquesm wrote: post #194

Teams is so horrific we banned it. If you force us to use teams you'll have to find another supplier. Seriously, it is incomprehensible that Microsoft would ship something so utterly broken. I know they don't have a reputation for writing good software but Teams is on another level, and I don't mean that in a positive way. I've really tried to get it to work but it is so messed up that I don't think it can be done. M…

their markdown code block formatting is mostly working this week. 2 weeks ago, it didn't handle new lines correctly, for about a month. a few weeks before that, it stripped any whitespace from the start of a line for a few weeks, and a few months before that, you couldn't only copy what was in a markdown code block, you had to copy the entire message, including sender and timestamp.

These 3 problems have resurfaced over and over for the last few years.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by johndotsun »

mgkimsal wrote: post #197
gautamdivgi wrote: post #129

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My Teams works fine on my Mac without issues. Have been using it for over a year now. Fwiw - I don’t understand why it’s hated. It’s a collaboration tool - mainly messaging and conferencing. It’s been decent at that for me.

For people who are not solely at one company - contractors/freelancers who perhaps need to support connectivity with multiple organizations - MS Teams is a huge hostile pita. I had 2 clients each using Teams, and I was working with each. But... I can't just be 'logged in' to two different Teams organizations. If I was in company A, I couldn't see anything from company B. Apparently you can do this in the phone app, b…

The best solution I've found to connecting to multiple client orgs in Teams at a time is to use it exclusively in the browser, and use a new Chrome profile for each client to keep things separated and working.

I don't use the local Teams client.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by EFreethought »

samcat116 wrote: post #5

Teams isn’t great compared to Slack for async text chats, however the video conferencing is actually quite good and I didn’t have any real issues moving from Zoom to it.

We use Teams at my employer (major consulting firm spun out of a big accounting firm). The chat and video meetings work pretty well.

I hate the "Teams" aspect of it, which is like group chat. A lot of people start new topics when they should be replying to an existing topic. Bad UI there. (Along the side you have "Activity", "Chat", "Teams", "Calendar", "Calls" and "Files". So you have something called "Teams" inside something called "Teams". More ambiguity is not what I need in my life.)

But I really hate the fact that it is integrated with sharepit, which in my opinion really is the worst piece of software ever made. People love to add files and directory trees to it, and as far as I know there is no way to bookmark anything. Googling it just gives you links to bookmark messages.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by culopatin »

mrguyorama wrote: post #400
Quarrelsome wrote: post #388

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Skype for business? Teams is way better than that. I mean its not great but I feel like on Windows at least (idk about Mac or Linux) it's just distinctly average. The only thing about teams that drove me crazy in the years of having to suffer it its search function and how the mobile app puts the logout action into settings (I lost my mind once trying to find it).

Nah skype for business was the bomb. It worked exactly like 2005 MSN messenger, was simple, efficient, and screen sharing and video calling was hard so people wouldn't start a damn video call or ask me to join a video call for things that should be a damn email.

Except that keeping track of chats was as much of a pain as it is in teams. Things that were absolutely not a problem in MSN messenger in 2004

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by hydroreadsstuff »

dragonwriter wrote: post #238
wvenable wrote: post #218

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It's so weird -- I use Teams all the time and I've never had a serious problem with it. It's not the greatest software ever made but it's certainly functional. It's definitely getting a lot of work done to it.

Teams is minimally usable, but its pretty much worst-in-class for…everything it does. It’s two compelling selling points seem to be (1) that “nobody every got fired for buying IBM” now applies to Microsoft more than IBM, and (2) moreover, users don’t actually buy Teams qua Teams, they get a Microsoft 365 subscriptions for some of the things where Microsoft has not-worst-in-class solutions, and Teams comes along for t…

Webex is worse. Sharepoint & powerpoint integration, large scale broadcast (300+?people uses different techniques) and transcripts are helpful. Haven’t used the chat much, but it seems not good.
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