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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by undersuit »

causi wrote: post #146
anononaut wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I challenge your interpretation of a joke generator making a joke as "drastic consequences." Twitch has arcane rules about what can be streamed. As a streamer you have to tip-toe around topics (or jokes) regarding specific protected classes. This is a matter of arbitrary lines in the sand.

Am I wrong in thinking that getting your feelings hurt by an AI making an offensive joke is the equivalent of thinking you've been doxxed when a random number generator spits out your phone number?

Part of Twitch is the social aspect and that includes a process where clips are created and shared from source material. As part of the ban those clips are no longer available because people can share those clips for malicious reasons. Sharing the clips can quickly cross from trolling to targeted harassment. Was the joke super transphobic? Not really. Would getting spammed with hundreds of unique users sending you the clip become transphobic? Yes.

A clip of the joke from the banned channel:

https://clips.twitch.tv/CalmFrailPlumageShazBotstix-ITcqL0Hh...

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by vehemenz »

jasonlotito wrote: post #38
sys32768 wrote: post #20

So comedy cannot be offensive anymore? When did that happen?

No, comedy can still be offensive. Anyone suggesting comedians can't be offensive is lying. Comedians routinely punch down, and routinely sell out shows. The believe that comedian's can't be offensive is a shtick they are using to market their shows to an audience. It's all advertising and marketing, and the gullible eat it up because it feeds into their bias.

Conceptually, it's clearer to think of offense as a relation, not a property. This is because offense requires a specific audience and a specific context. Content alone is not offensive.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by ben_w »

erulabs wrote: post #396
ben_w wrote: post #372

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being cancelled is the smallest possible increment I am aware of over being heckled. It is the necessary other side of the same coin as freedom of speech, otherwise you end up with the literal Republican party being legally obligated to let the literal Communist Party of the USA (not a euphemism for the Democrats) lecture them during their Primaries.

Somewhere in the vast distances between being heckled and being cancelled is a sturdy but forgotten old shack named constructive criticism. Inside, all the great things in this world were born.

I'd say that constructive criticism isn't between those two things, in the way that i+1 isn't between -1 and -2.

Also: what do you think being cancelled is such that you perceive a "vast distance" between it and being heckled?

For me, an audience going "boo, your jokes are bad!" is very close to "we're sorry, Mr Comedian, you're not bringing in a big enough audience to justify booking you as a headline act".

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by freejazz »

mrguyorama wrote: post #440
influx wrote: post #377

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gilbert Godfrey famously made a 9/11 joke that “bombed” on September 29, 2001. If you eliminate all comedy that offends someone, there won’t be much left to laugh about.

Except that's a part of comedy. Pete Davidson makes jokes about his dad dying in 9/11 all the time and they are hilarious. Just pointing at a shitty thing isn't comedy, you have to actually write a joke.

I guess you didn't realize that Pete Davidson is making these jokes 20 years after 9/11, not 20 days?

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by mrozbarry »

_cenw wrote: post #285
mrozbarry wrote: post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is a perfect summation of the issue. Not allowing public discourse will always result in entrenche, extreme, and polarizing views.

As an affected individual: Public discourse on this issue is plentiful and, unfortunately, usually full of wrong information, misconceptions and "my favorite scientist said otherwise" (probably on the JRE, against a dozen or so professional medical associations) gotchas from exterminationist groups that get invited on to have a "balanced" conversation. Transgender people do not have large political or economic impact…

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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by Slighted »

mjamesaustin wrote: post #219
twodave wrote: post #106

Uncharacteristically off-topic comment from me, I guess, but when do humans get to a point where we no longer have to appeal to the lowest common denominator? How are our relationships supposed to improve if we dub anything that makes us uncomfortable as "taboo" and steer clear of it? I get that on the Internet there is a lot of anonymity (though less than there used to be) that folks tend to abuse, but at the same t…

It's weird to talk about missing an element of human empathy regarding the topic of trans individuals, whose very existence is unacceptable to a broad swath of the population. 40% of transgender people have attempted suicide. The public dialogue around trans lives is one of very little empathy, respect, or civility. People are on this thread casually debating whether this joke "went to far" or not, while the people w…

>The public dialogue around trans lives is one of very little empathy, respect, or civility.

And I wonder why exactly this is the case...

Something something "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"

With all of the insanity stemming from trans people and loudmouths in the LGBT community both online and in real life, I don't blame people for losing their empathy and respect for them. If you're legitimately clueless as to what I'm referring to, look into child drag shows, censorship, the invasions of women-only (XX chromosome) spaces, legitimate cases of grooming occurring on platforms like Discord, and their generally insufferable attitudes towards people that don't perfectly align with their beliefs.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by paulmd »

jaywalk wrote: post #152
PurpleRamen wrote: post #32

Seems like a great chance to build a checker for political correctness and approved content. If it works well, it would sell like sliced bread, far better than some Twitch-channel, because demand for this is rising. And maybe call it OrwellGPT or Chat84 or something like that, just to get the message right...

That's basically what ChatGPT already does.

remember that OpenAI is run by Peter Thiel, he specifically is an AI skeptic and is taking the position that if AIs are going to be created they're going to be by him and they're damn well going to be on a short chain.

why would you want to let 4chan train the AI to be racist/fascist/transphobic/whatever and to have it start playing around with police/military killbots or industrial chemical plants or nuclear weapons because it believes X nationality/minority is human vermin?

like yeah it's kinda not just "what it already does" it's kinda the whole point of the experiment. Let's figure out how to build the safeguards against 4chan turning it racist while the stakes are still low and the outcome is some mildly questionable seinfeld jokes and the bot comically panicking at a choice between a city of 20 million being nuked and having to say the n-word.

And remember that Peter Thiel is already pretty far on the right, lol.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by jimmaswell »

mjhay wrote: post #61
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the end, I thought... This could actually be one of Seinfeld's standups on the show, and he definitely wouldn't have got canceled for it.

At least no one was ever laughing from Seinfeld's standups.

Do you really believe that nobody laughed at one of the most famous comedians of our time, or is this comment just some kind of signaling that you don't agree with the guy's views?

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by mrguyorama »

nomel wrote: post #339
eropple wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm fairly certain that's untrue. There is, however, a fairly pernicious aspect of the social discourse that really would like to conflate "entertaining it, rejecting it soundly, and not repeatedly entertaining it for the same pretty-tired arguments" with never entertaining the thought at all. The sea-lion cartoon has stuck around for a reason.

> repeatedly entertaining It can appear this way, on the internet, but it could be that the individuals asking the question are entertaining it for the first time. I know this is what happened to me, with unrelated topics. You can’t reason with the mob. They aren’t interested.

If you aren't willing to go take the time to educate yourself on the topic (there are ample resources to do so) then it is not our responsibility to educate you about trans people. Trans people are a rarity, so they tend to have to field the same like 20 questions a million times over. They just want to live their fucking lives, not answer truly ignorant questions about their genitalia from people who didn't put in even an ounce of effort to understand.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by freejazz »

yesco wrote: post #318
mjamesaustin wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's weird to talk about missing an element of human empathy regarding the topic of trans individuals, whose very existence is unacceptable to a broad swath of the population. 40% of transgender people have attempted suicide. The public dialogue around trans lives is one of very little empathy, respect, or civility. People are on this thread casually debating whether this joke "went to far" or not, while the people w…

>It's weird to talk about missing an element of human empathy regarding the topic of trans individuals, whose very existence is unacceptable to a broad swath of the population. I certainly won't deny that trans people go through a lot, but stuff like this is honestly getting hard to take seriously. It's commonly repeated but going on about their "existence" itself being denied just sounds over dramatic. I don't think…

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