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Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by caeril »

vidarh wrote: post #298
lormayna wrote: post #226

> Olohan said he began feeling increasing pressure from his supervisor, who told him that there were “obviously too many white guys” on his management team. In July he was encouraged to fire a male employee to make room on his team for a woman, the suit claims. This is the most crazy section. Why physical characteristics like gender or ethnicity should be important in the management selection? And if yes, why only th…

> Why physical characteristics like gender or ethnicity should be important in the management selection? To be clear, the below is not taking into account the allegations in the article, but just seeks to explain the thinking without judgement (as I'm frankly not sure which side I fall down on). There's a school of thought that some degree of weighting helps to redress systemic issues by changing incentives, justifie…

A cursory look at the way DEI policies are applied shows the claimed justification to be a blatant lie.

If we were actually concerned about tipping the scales properly based on actual income data, white men would not be the primary targets. We would be going after Brahmin Indians, Taiwanese-Americans, Jewish-Americans, men over 6 feet in height, men with facial features that are shown by studies to be associated with "leadership", men born to well-connected families, and any number of other by-birth associations that are actually demonstrated by the data to have high correlations to income level.

"White men" are fairly average when it comes to income in the United States, yet we are gunning for them far more for income equity than we are for their obvious statistical superiors.

This, alone, demonstrates the lie underpinning equity efforts.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by megous »

vidarh wrote: post #298
lormayna wrote: post #226

> Olohan said he began feeling increasing pressure from his supervisor, who told him that there were “obviously too many white guys” on his management team. In July he was encouraged to fire a male employee to make room on his team for a woman, the suit claims. This is the most crazy section. Why physical characteristics like gender or ethnicity should be important in the management selection? And if yes, why only th…

> Why physical characteristics like gender or ethnicity should be important in the management selection? To be clear, the below is not taking into account the allegations in the article, but just seeks to explain the thinking without judgement (as I'm frankly not sure which side I fall down on). There's a school of thought that some degree of weighting helps to redress systemic issues by changing incentives, justifie…

This argument is missing the results of the regulation. Otherwise it's a bit circular: gender is important in management selection because it is important for management selection in Norway. :)

2006 is 17 years ago. There should be some results by now. What was the failure criteria for the legislation? Did it fail/succeed according to the criteria? Did anything change at lower positions?

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by tablespoon »

ukFxqnLa2sBSBf6 wrote: post #405
cb504 wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a Professor in college who refused to meet with me behind a a close door, and we were both male. He kindly explained that he picked this up from a former professor of his. He wanted zero possibility of a student accusing him of sexual misconduct. At the time I thought it was a bit strange, but I agreed and left the door open. 20 years later, it doesn't sound so strange anymore.

Everyone knows you can’t sexually assault someone if the door is open good rule of thumb though

> Everyone knows you can’t sexually assault someone if the door is open good rule of thumb though

It means that it's far less likely that you could do so unobserved, which makes it harder to explain away the lack of observations for a false claim.

Also, it sends a message that might be a deterrent to a false claim.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by boppo1 »

anonymouskimmer wrote: post #203
boppo1 wrote: post #22

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I was working as a busboy reaching up for a glass when an older server woman grabbed my ass so 'deeply' that her fingers almost reached my testicles, then squeezed like she was wringing out an orange. Even though I was unattracted to her, I was flattered at the time. Nonetheless, I'm pretty sure that's well past the bar for molestation.

Holy crap. Ditto except it was just a pinch and I wasn't at all flattered, I was shocked. I don't remember whether I was still 17 or had just turned 18. It was probably when I was still 17 though, as I went to college just days after turning 18. She was probably 3 times my age or so.

I was also 18 and also shocked. But women gave me so little positive attention that that was welcome.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by tablespoon »

sgt wrote: post #267
Simon_O_Rourke wrote: post #218

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Not quite as damaging, but I was accused of harassment from some blue-haired weirdo on a video call with nearly a hundred people at work. Like you, this was a person I had zero interaction with prior to the call. I considered getting a lawyer involved because I feared this could blow up, but was talked out of it by my boss, who asked me to apologize and "let's leave it at that".

Didn't the 100 people on the call see that it wasn't harassment? What could possibly have happened to make the weirdo think you were harassing him?

> Didn't the 100 people on the call see that it wasn't harassment? What could possibly have happened to make the weirdo think you were harassing him?

Some might have, but deciding to jump in to defend the accused would result in a decent chance of the defender getting targeted themselves, in some fashion.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by jb1991 »

pb7 wrote: post #425
jb1991 wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Someone with blue hair is more likely to seek attention.

But calling them out as a "weirdo" is not a good look, to be honest. Such a statement carries context as well.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by tablespoon »

default_png wrote: post #354
Fire-Dragon-DoL wrote: post #153

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Couldn't you sue for damage after that? It seems like you got a great damage and it was proven in court that it's been caused by a lie

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgment_proof In the context of contract law, debt collection and civil litigation, the term judgment proof is commonly used to refer to defendants or potential defendants who are financially insolvent, or whose income and assets cannot be obtained in satisfaction of a judgment.[1] Being "judgment proof" is not a defense to a lawsuit. If sued, the defendant cannot claim being "judgment…

> If a plaintiff were to secure a legal judgment against an insolvent defendant, the defendant's lack of funds would make the satisfaction of that judgment difficult, if not impossible, to secure.[2]

Even if they can't collect, wouldn't there be some significant value to the judgement, making it less of a he said/she said thing? When confronted with the allegation, it could be rebutted with the facts that you 1) sued, 2) prevailed, and 3) and are owed a lot of money.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by tablespoon »

Kbelicius wrote: post #371
machina_ex_deus wrote: post #322

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The real issue is that people stopped caring about whatever the justice system is going to decide. There's a new religion of social justice, and this religion is harsher than even the old religions. The old religions you were at least judged by an omnipotent being who could see the whole picture. This new woke religion have you judged by a dumb mob. Everyone's playing the judge and everyone's responsible to punishing…

> The old religions you were at least judged by an omnipotent being who could see the whole picture. That is no different than the dumb mob considering that "gods judgment" always needs to be interpreted. Some mobs do that differently than other mobs but they are all mobs in the end.

>> The old religions you were at least judged by an omnipotent being who could see the whole picture.

> That is no different than the dumb mob considering that "gods judgment" always needs to be interpreted.

I don't think you got the point. The idea is that a truly wronged party (and their allies) can still feel like justice will be done if the system doesn't work, without doing anything, because in the end God will do it.

If that's not understood, then the allies will feel justified going after the (potentially falsely) accused extra-judicially or otherwise tilting the playing field in a way that results in more innocents get punished so it's felt to guilty people get away.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by tablespoon »

nvgeele wrote: post #385
ranting-moth wrote: post #233

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False allegations should carry the same penalty as the crime being alleged.

No they shouldn't, because such laws will just open the door to even more abuse. Imagine you are raped by someone. You go to the police to report the crime, but unfortunately, they deny, and you can't provide any real evidence. They can now countersue because you've made a "false allegation" which ruined their life.

You're not talked about a false allegation, you're talking about an unproved allegation. Those are very different things.

It's a spectrum, and we're only talking about one of the extremes:

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