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Depends on the dataset. You can probably get decent results by restricting the modality of the images (faces, cars, bedrooms etc) I trained from scratch with 4x3090 and while it’s not as good as SD it’s surprisingly better with hands.
What kind of form factor do you use for 4x3090? Don't people usually use the datacenter product line when they're trying to get more than one into a box?
I use an open air rig like the ones used for crypto mining. 4x3090 would normally trip the breakers without mods but if you under volt the cards the power draw is just under the limit for a home AC outlet.
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Ah I am glad to see someone else talking about using public domain images! Honestly it baffles me that in all this discussion, I rarely see people discussing how to do this with appropriately licensed images. There are some pretty large datasets out there of public images, and doing so might even help encourage more people to contribute to open datasets. Also if the big ML companies HAD to use open images, they would…
The problem is not that people aren't owning ideas hard enough, ideas shouldn't be ownable in this way, the problem is that we've created a system that's obsessed with scarcity and collecting rents. Being able to own and trade ideas a la copyright/patents helps people who can buy copyrights and patents stifle creativity more than it helps artists gather reward for their creation (though it does both). Human endeavor…
But I am absolutely not in favor of keeping IP restrictions in place and then letting big corporations scoop up the works of small independent artists for their ML models.
Think of it in terms of software licenses. The people who write GPL protected software are leveraging existing copyright laws to enforce distribution of their code. They would probably be in favor of abolishing the entire IP rights system. But if a big corporation was copying a project from an independent creator that was GPL licensed, they’d sure as hell want to prosecute.
I believe strongly that IP restrictions are harmful. But keeping them in place while letting big corporations benefit from the work of independent artists who don’t want their work used in this way seems wrong to me. As long as artists wouldn’t expect anyone else to be able to copy their works, I’d like them to be able to consent to their work being used in these systems.
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If I recompress 240TB as super low quality jpgs and manage to zip them up as single file that is significantly smaller than 240TB (because you can), does the fact they are not pixel perfect matches for the original images mean you’re not violating copyright? If you compress them down to two or three bytes each, which is what the process effectively does, then yes, I would argue that we stand to lose a LOT as a techno…
Maybe? Does that mean it’s worthless to try to train an ethical art model? Is it not helpful to show that you can train a model that can generate art without training it on copyrighted material? Maybe it’s good. Maybe not. Who cares if people waste their money doing it? Why do you care? It certainly feels awfully convenient for that there are no ethically trained models because it means no one can say “you should be…
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It's almost like "capitalism" isn't something that needs to be created and forced upon people, it's just the way a world where energy isn't free and can not be created from thin air works. Capitalism is just that, the realization that there's no free lunches and no UBIs are possible without some serious unintended consequences. I pirate everything I consume, but I would never be such an hypocrite to say that all copy…
That's one of the great victories of capitalism: somehow it has convinced people that a 300 year-old economic system originating in north-western Europe is as natural as the air we breathe, and as inevitable as gravity or any natural law.
So, yes, capitalism in the sense of the freedom to trade one's labor does appear to be naturally and universally emergent in advanced human societies, in the absence of violent interference.
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It's almost like "capitalism" isn't something that needs to be created and forced upon people, it's just the way a world where energy isn't free and can not be created from thin air works. Capitalism is just that, the realization that there's no free lunches and no UBIs are possible without some serious unintended consequences. I pirate everything I consume, but I would never be such an hypocrite to say that all copy…
What? No. Capitalism is a more specific system for organizing goods and services, wherein the means of production and distribution of those goods and services (buildings, land, machines and other tools, vehicles etc) are privately owned and operated by workers (who are paid a wage) for the profit of the owners. That's only been the norm for a few hundred years, and only in certain places. Also, capitalism is separate…
Can you point to a system that worked well before that you'd like to go back to?
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So your hypothesis is that if the FBI gives the database to a company it will inevitably leak to the pedophile underworld? I can't judge how likely that is. I guess I also don't care much as I only really care aboit stopping production using real children, simulated CSAM gets a shrug and even use of old CSAM only gets a frown.
My (lol now flagged) opinion is that it’s kind of weird to advocate for the CSAM archive to move into [literally any private company?] to turn it into some sort of public good based on… frowns?
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The problem is not that people aren't owning ideas hard enough, ideas shouldn't be ownable in this way, the problem is that we've created a system that's obsessed with scarcity and collecting rents. Being able to own and trade ideas a la copyright/patents helps people who can buy copyrights and patents stifle creativity more than it helps artists gather reward for their creation (though it does both). Human endeavor…
You misunderstand me. I am strongly in favor of abolishing all intellectual property restrictions. Here is me arguing just that two days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33697341 But I am absolutely not in favor of keeping IP restrictions in place and then letting big corporations scoop up the works of small independent artists for their ML models. Think of it in terms of software licenses. The people who wr…
> But keeping them in place while letting big corporations benefit from the work of independent artists who don’t want their work used in this way seems wrong to me.
I see what you're saying here. My concern is that should copyright style protection be extended to the "vibe" or "style" of a painting it is going to be twisted in a way that ends up being used to silence/abuse artists in the same way that copyright strikes are already.
I think the idea that art is mostly individually creative vs mostly drawing upon the work of all the artists and art-appreciators around you and before you is already really problematic. The corrupting power of the idea is what I worry about. Similarly to crypto/NFTs, the idea that scarcity should exist in the digital world is the most dangerous thing, most of the other bad stems from that.
IMO the most important thing to work on is getting people to reject the idea itself as harmful.
I worry that any short term fix to try to prop up artists' rights in response to this changing landscape will become a long term anchor on our society's equity and cultural progress in the exact same way copyright is.
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Apple, and meta have as well. Apparently Facebook has a huge problem with distribution through messenger.
Once I read an article about a guy who got arrested because he’d put child porn on his Dropbox. I had assumed he’d been caught by some more sophisticated means and that was just the public story. I’m amazed that anyone would be stupid enough to distribute CSAM through an account linked to their own name.
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They reportedly did so to stop people from generating CSAM [0]. [0] https://old.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/y9ga5s/sta...
I regularly skimmed 4Chan’s /b/ to get a frame of reference for fringe internet culture. But I’ve had to stop because the CSAM they generate by the hundreds per hour is just freakishly and horrifyingly high fidelity. There’s a lot of important social questions to ask about the future of pornography, but I’m sure not going to be the one to touch that with a thousand foot pole.