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Re: Twitter users jump to Mastodon, but what is it?

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Post by pixl97 »

phpisthebest wrote: post #439
pixl97 wrote: post #427

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Pray tell, before the internet how many effective boycotts were there in media, are you suggesting this never existed? The vocal minority has always had the largest impact in all history, that's just how humans work. And even sometimes the vocal minority is correct and the moderate masses say "Oh, yea, you're right megacorp does suck and should probably change". Simply put there are a number of relatively high view s…

That is simply not true.... the reality is the vocal minority can only effect change is the structures of power support their cause. This is why people are sooo upset with the management change at twitter, and why they are going after the advertisers now while they still have at least symbolically control over the structures of power. For at least 20 years now the far left authoritarians have had total control over t…

>For at least 20 years now the far left authoritarians have had total control over the media

I try not to cuss much on HN, but what the fuck are you talking about? If you think Fox News, one of the organizations with the largest audience is far left, you're out of your mind. If you think MSNBC or CBS were anywhere close to 'far left', you are again, out of your mind. Under no definition are those far left.

I think you have a confused idea that a 'open free market' system is building itself, where in reality a bunch of far right fascists are attempting a powergrab.

Re: Twitter users jump to Mastodon, but what is it?

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Post by simplotek »

ambrozk wrote: post #65
nimbius wrote: post #25

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>there is an overreaction to new Twitter management Oh i think its a perfectly legitimate and reasonable reaction to new Twitter management. a guy worth about 200bn USD spent his first day at the office dragging a piece of plumbing around cheerleading his impending job cuts and upcoming $8 surcharge for a feature that only really benefits and legitimizes the platform. he then axes most of the company, especially the…

> hes lucky corporate brands and advertisers havent figured out they could start their own Mastodon instance for almost nothing, plug it until it becomes more popular than Twitter, and maintain all their existing brand safety controls in the process. This is a very funny way of thinking which gets reality backwards. Corporate brands go where user eyeballs are. In the past the eyeballs read newspapers, and advertisers…

> This is a very funny way of thinking which gets reality backwards. Corporate brands go where user eyeballs are.

This is a rather naive and uninformed take. Here's yesterday's tweet of the day, where a top marketer called Elon Musk on his bullshit conspiracy theory.

https://twitter.com/LouPas/status/1588599808587345921

Re: Twitter users jump to Mastodon, but what is it?

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Post by googlryas »

devmor wrote: post #444
googlryas wrote: post #365

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What was he running his mouth about? Crazy stuff like landing boosters back at the pad, or on barges in the middle of the Atlantic?

No, his plan was to build greenhouses on Mars.

Perhaps that's just because he was talking to people who think another literal moonshot was a figurative moonshot.

Re: Twitter users jump to Mastodon, but what is it?

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Post by simplotek »

phpisthebest wrote: post #437
mplewis wrote: post #423

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You have a very skewed view of who’s buying the F150 and who they’re selling the Lightning to.

No I have a very very correct view of who is buying both the F150 and the Lightning...

Sorry but all you say in you post is a bunch of baseless personal assertions pushing a specific personal political take that has no substance or credibility.

The Ford F150 is no niche product. It's the most popular car in all US states except in 5 or 6 states. According to some sources , "the vast majority of these new trucks are [sold] in large and medium-sized cities."

https://hedgescompany.com/blog/2018/10/pickup-truck-owner-de...

So unless you want to claim that white males living in large urban centers from all corners o the US are not Twitter's demographics, your view is baseless and completely detached from reality.

But be my guest and point out the best source you used to source your claim.

And lastly:

https://marketing.twitter.com/en/success-stories/ford-f150-l...

Hard to explain, isn't it?

Re: Twitter users jump to Mastodon, but what is it?

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Post by godelski »

colordrops wrote: post #23
godelski wrote: post #19

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> Why can't it get enough reach? > What if each news outlet ran their own server? I think you answered your own question.

Email is run just like this and it has plenty of reach.

Can we stop pretending that email is a great example of decentralized networks? Modern email is extremely centralized with most people on either Gmail, Apple, or Outlook. No one rolls their own server.

Email on the other hand is a great example of how decentralized things become centralized over time due to the network effect. There's even a weak network effect with email and it still happened.

Re: Twitter users jump to Mastodon, but what is it?

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Post by phpisthebest »

pixl97 wrote: post #451
phpisthebest wrote: post #439

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That is simply not true.... the reality is the vocal minority can only effect change is the structures of power support their cause. This is why people are sooo upset with the management change at twitter, and why they are going after the advertisers now while they still have at least symbolically control over the structures of power. For at least 20 years now the far left authoritarians have had total control over t…

>For at least 20 years now the far left authoritarians have had total control over the media I try not to cuss much on HN, but what the fuck are you talking about? If you think Fox News, one of the organizations with the largest audience is far left, you're out of your mind. If you think MSNBC or CBS were anywhere close to 'far left', you are again, out of your mind. Under no definition are those far left. I think yo…

>If you think Fox News

One slightly right authoritarian news source does not a rule make... I bet you think "republican" means right.... I am a firm believer of the unipary theory of politics

Republicans are no better than democrats. One wants to tell you what to do with your life (including your bedroom) but leave you with your money and guns, the other wants to take your money and guns but will allow you to do pretty much any thing you want (including victimize violently and take an property of others it seems)

Neither are good, both are very much authoritarian

> If you think MSNBC or CBS were anywhere close to 'far left',

If we are cussing.... What the fuck are you talking about... MSNBC not far left? What the hell do you consider far left then... MSNBC is the leftist of left.... Hell At this point they are probably more left than the Young Turks

Ground News marks them as left as well [1]. NPR is "leans left" [2] and Reuters is "Center" [3]

[1] https://ground.news/interest/msnbc [2] https://ground.news/interest/npr [3] https://ground.news/interest/reuters_fa2539

For every Fox news, there are 5++ Left media companies, so yes Fox nows has a large audience because it is consolidated and not spread out between MSNBC, CNN, New Times, Washington Post, and the 100's of other left and left leaning outlets.

Re: Twitter users jump to Mastodon, but what is it?

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Post by eternalban »

"jump" ratio = 230,000 / 400,000,000,000 = 0.0575% of users. The English are masters of understatement, which is why BBC did not say "users leap" and used the word jump instead ..

Shouldn't BBC wait just a bit, like a month, before breathlessly telling us how users are jumping to another network?

Do you think stories like this may influence people to leap or jump to Mastedon?

And would you characterize this piece by BBC as "making news" or "reporting news"?

Re: Twitter users jump to Mastodon, but what is it?

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Post by colordrops »

godelski wrote: post #455
colordrops wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Email is run just like this and it has plenty of reach.

Can we stop pretending that email is a great example of decentralized networks? Modern email is extremely centralized with most people on either Gmail, Apple, or Outlook. No one rolls their own server. Email on the other hand is a great example of how decentralized things become centralized over time due to the network effect. There's even a weak network effect with email and it still happened.

This is the same flawed logic that claims that Bitcoin is really centralized. You are looking at the wrong properties when you call email centralized. With email, as with Bitcoin, you can participate in the network and roll your own if you so wish, and no one can prevent you from transacting. That doesn't mean most should roll their own, but the fact that it's possible is a vast and fundamental difference. I really don't think most people understand what decentralized means. We are talking about the protocol, not the implemented topology.

Same as democracy in the US. Even if for the most part policy is set by centralized interests, just having the populace believe that it's a democracy and they have the agency to change things makes the system function in a fundamentally different way. The ruling class can't just cart blanche do whatever they want like in China, even if they are the ones holding most of the levers.

Re: Twitter users jump to Mastodon, but what is it?

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Post by phpisthebest »

simplotek wrote: post #454
phpisthebest wrote: post #437

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No I have a very very correct view of who is buying both the F150 and the Lightning...

Sorry but all you say in you post is a bunch of baseless personal assertions pushing a specific personal political take that has no substance or credibility. The Ford F150 is no niche product. It's the most popular car in all US states except in 5 or 6 states. According to some sources , "the vast majority of these new trucks are [sold] in large and medium-sized cities." https://hedgescompany.com/blog/2018/10/pickup-…

>>So unless you want to claim that white males living in large urban centers from all corners o the US are not Twitter's demographics

That is not my claim at all, my claim is the people that are freaking out about Elon owning twitter, that are freaking out about having a more free speech platform, that are freaking out that conservatives views will not be instantly banned by twitter "trust and safety" are not white males living in or buying trucks in Medium to Large cities in largely fly over country outside of Coastal West, and Coastal North East states which seems to be where most of the people freaking out are based from.

Ford suspending ads on twitter is doing a disservice to ford, to appease people that were never going to buy a F150 in the first place. The twitter users Ford is targeting either does not care, or supports Elon's changes.

>>It's the most popular car in all US states except in 5 or 6 states.

Yes, and what states are those?? All blue states, and specifically Silicon Valley.

>>"the vast majority of these new trucks are [sold] in large and medium-sized cities."

I dont think that is the "gotcha" you think it is... There are plenty of Medium and even large cities in "fly over" country, further most dealers in large and medium sized cities so even if you do not live in one, or plan on using your truck in one, chances are you are traveling to a Large or medium sized city to buy the thing.

I currently live in a Medium sized city, but my truck was bought in a large city (the 3rd largest city in my state) and my previous truck was bought in the state capital even though I lived in a town of 1500 people at the time... The dealer I bought it from was a 4 hour drive away.

Re: Twitter users jump to Mastodon, but what is it?

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Post by poszlem »

eternalban wrote: post #457

"jump" ratio = 230,000 / 400,000,000,000 = 0.0575% of users. The English are masters of understatement, which is why BBC did not say "users leap" and used the word jump instead .. Shouldn't BBC wait just a bit, like a month, before breathlessly telling us how users are jumping to another network? Do you think stories like this may influence people to leap or jump to Mastedon? And would you characterize this piece by…

Isn't that the whole point of that article? When the exact same thing happened to a different political option (people moving to Parler, or Gab) the whole coverage was about making the move as unpalatable as possible.

It is 100% making news at the moment, and it is quite obvious that mainstream journalists are a bit uneasy about no longer being the protected cast on Twitter.

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