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Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by kennend3 »

Scharkenberg wrote: post #286
ar_lan wrote: post #228

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My previous experience with Windows (~3 years ago) was that every single update took ~2 hours to complete, and they were asking to update weekly. I used to game weekly with my friends, and because of the above problem, I would have to turn on my computer the night before and start the update so I would be able to reliably play a game the following day - otherwise, there was an extremely good chance that they would st…

> My previous experience with Windows (~3 years ago) was that every single update took ~2 hours to complete, and they were asking to update weekly. Unless you manually seek preview updates, Windows gets updates once per month, on Patch Tuesday (a twenty-year tradition now). Two hours for "every single update" sounds implausible for Windows 10 because Microsoft has implemented changes to minimize the "offline phase" o…

This is very well written.

This whole "tribalism" nonsense over companies is just insane. If you like windows, great. If you like MacOS, great.

I don't get why people feel a personal attachment to things like which OS they use. What really confuses me is when they become unpaid advocates for their company of choice?

Personally, I've never been a big fan of Microsoft and used Ubuntu/Mint for many years. Recently i moved to MacOS.

None of this has caused me to develop some sort of personal attachment with what OS I use. I'm not going to spend my time doing as the OP did - write a dishonest review to flog my OS of choice.

PS. I do have a windows laptop which i haven't used in months. I used it last week and it did take a while to upgrade as there were many missing updates. I also upgraded my pc from Monterey to Ventura. Both took around the same time so i really dont get the OP's point?

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by phist_mcgee »

hyperjeff wrote: post #348
mc10 wrote: post #175

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Reminds me of this Verge article reporting that kids growing up with iPhones don’t know what files or directories are: https://www.theverge.com/22684730/students-file-folder-direc...

Very much an intentional goal of the OS when it came out, the hope being that the concepts of files and folders might never be needed. A bold move to get rid of a mental overhead for using a computer that was never natural or intuitive to non-tech users. They eventually had to back off a bit, but it’s an amazing accomplishment that most users can still use these devices as if files weren’t a thing.

How long do you think that IT professionals will need to care about hierarchical file systems?

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by o_m »

zephyr9 wrote: post #358
johnebgd wrote: post #331

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MacOS X peaked in being user friendly with Tiger.

I vehemently disagree, Snow Leopard was the champion.

I was a college student the time and decided to spend hundreds of dollars on the SSD upgrade (going from 500gb HDD to 128gb SSD) for my Macbook Pro. Best decision ever. It was amazing to see the machine booting completely to the desktop in under 10 seconds, not even my M1 MAX MPB boots that quickly.

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by andrekandre »

OttPeterR wrote: post #322
jmiserez wrote: post #218

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Ventura even drops support for the 2016 (Touchbar) Macbook Pros which is frustrating. The machines are certainly powerful enough. But support for Intel Macs will probably be dropped sooner rather than later.

I’m specifically peeved about this. My personal 2016 mbp has nearly identical specs to my work 2017 mbp but my personal one is being left behind. Maybe there’s some minuscule hardware issue they couldn’t be bothered to work out but 5-6 years of OS updates is upsettingly short. I’d expect that for an android phone but not a high end laptop… There does seem to be a dev working on porting over the OS if anyone has an ea…

  > My personal 2016 mbp has nearly identical specs to my work 2017 mbp but my personal one is being left behind.
its crazy, my macbook (12 inch) 2017 with a dinky dual-core 1.3ghz is supported but not my quad-core 2.6ghz w/discreet gpu isnt... totally bonkers

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by dont__panic »

mikestew wrote: post #287
jedberg wrote: post #74

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"We could increase the BOM cost putting a bigger camera in but the thickness of the laptop lid is so thin it would never be as good as the phone you most likely already own, so we made it easer for you to use that". It's all a matter of perspective. :) I love the ability to use my phone as a webcam.

That doesn't explain why the $3K 27" iMac on my desk has a 720p camera. Big expensive Mac, with a camera off an off-brand Windows laptop.

Or the awful quality of the Studio Display webcam!

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by metafunctor »

fnord123 wrote: post #385
metafunctor wrote: post #368

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In recent years I've been using the search bar a lot anyway, since the modal nature of the old System Preferences app wasn't great for quickly checking through several settings screens. And I often forget where some settings are — the taxonomy is not always so clear. The new Settings app seems like an improvement to me. The vertical list of settings categories is easier to quickly scan, and it remains visible all the…

>The new Settings app seems like an improvement to me. While using Gnome's style for the settings application is a huge improvement, the implementation is laggy and doesn't scroll smoothly. And it takes a while for each Stack item to load and render when it's selected. x86_64 here.

Yeah, the items could load more snappily. On my M1 there's a delay (0.2 – 0.5 seconds?) between clicking an item and it showing up — enough to make it feel annoyingly laggy.

I haven't used Gnome in decades. To me it looks just like the iPad Settings app, or iPhone's in horizontal mode.

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by gorbypark »

I never checked before but just assumed my MBP from 2016 would be supported. It’s not. Really sucks since the current latest version works really well and the machine was maxed out (i7, 16gb ram) and is more than capable of handling Ventura. Apple seems to be aggressively dropping support for x86 macs, quicker than historically they did.

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by rollcat »

city17 wrote: post #158

There's a few nice quality of life features in Ventura, but MacOS really seems way down Apple's priority list nowadays. They're using all software building resources for iOS and then just slap any reusable features on their desktop OS whenever possible. Great when it works for apps that are quite similar (e.g. messages), terrible for things that simply work very differently on a desktop OS (system settings, stage man…

I agree with most of your assessment, however:

> Good opportunity for Windows to finally beat MacOS in UI/UX, since they don't have a mobile OS to worry about?

Given how much of a step back every Windows release is, starting after Win2k, in terms of *consistency* of the user experience - I would argue both companies are their own worst enemies here.

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by ezfe »

gnicholas wrote: post #73
ezfe wrote: post #36

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I'm updating for these features: better iMessage (editing / unsending / mark as unread), Shared iCloud Photo Library, duplicate detection in Photos, Continuity Camera, Weather app, multi-stop Maps routing

Does Mark As Unread affect whether it shows as read by the sender?

I'm guessing not - I keep read receipts off for all but a few people anyways
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