Serious question: I've worked with incredibly diverse (compared to the national demographic) teams that consisted mostly of Indians and Asians from various countries throughout Asia. Under the Microsoft D&I definition this would not count as diverse. Why do they define diversity in such an arbitrary way?
What “diversity and inclusion” means at Microsoft
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Re: What “diversity and inclusion” means at Microsoft
#452One of the key insights I think people are missing is that for most roles, not having a diverse slate of applicants in a country as diverse as America is a "process smell." The smell is that you're not casting a wide enough net to even know whether you're getting the best applicants.
Some easy examples: if you're hiring for most programming roles and you don't have any qualified women applying, your pipeline sucks.
If your company is in California, and you don't have any qualified Latinos applying for most of your jobs, your pipeline sucks.
Et cetera.
If you're not casting a wide enough net to find qualified Latinos on the west coast(!), I guarantee you're also missing qualified white men in whom you would be interested. Ultimately, this is why Microsoft cares; they have an interest in their overall process being the best it can be.
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#453This is all part of the public-private alliance between big corporations and left-wing politicians. They can't implement Marxism outright because of State authority to override, so they are using companies to do it and killing small business competition in return. This is also why some corporations get larger and larger without any real antitrust enforcement.
This is happening at every F50 company. If you are thinking "not my company" right now, you're just not high enough in leadership.
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#454Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think your statement is the issue. If you have two equally qualified candidates - one anglo saxan male from boston, and one african american female from georgia - at many places, one is going to be consistently chosen. I agree - that is absolutely bias based on protected characteristics. Do you?
Evidence that one is going to be consistently chosen?
Written, documented company policy?
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#455Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I do worry that my kids won’t be diverse enough to be able to get into a decent school or get a good job like I was able to when they’re older. That comment implies you take for granted that your kids will get into a school, and will have a job.
What does that mean? Just about anyone can get into a school, or get a job.
> What does that mean?
Worrying that kids may not be able to get into a decent school because they're not diverse enough seems like a a nice problem to have--parents of "diverse" children have much larger worries.
> Just about anyone can get into a school, or get a job.
Wouldn't that mean that based on the equality of outcomes, it doesn't matter what type of school OP's kids go to, and therefore no reason to worry.
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#456I shut my mouth at work and go along with this stuff because I have no choice. I have a family to take care of. I've accepted this. But man, why do they always throw in the line about striving to make the workplace a "diverse and inclusive culture where everyone can bring their full and authentic self"? Everyone knows that's a goddamn lie. I almost want to cry when I read that - it makes me so angry. I haven't been anything like myself in the workplace for over a decade now and I'm sure I'll never be again. I live a lie when I'm here and so do many, many others.
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#457Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Over 50 years ago the US Military recognized that segregation and entrenched racial biases lead to inefficiencies and lack of readiness.[1] In an economy where hiring pipelines for skilled technical people are stretched incredibly thin, we need to be taking a hard look at why we're only getting people that look a certain way through our hiring process. That doesn't follow, at all. For one, you're comparing apples a…
The norm in Silicon Valley is treat D&I with an inordinate level of skepticism, if not reject it outright as "anti-meritocratic." What we have here is not explicit racial segregation, but a system operating via capital and clout that has elevated a small group of mostly white men into positions of extreme power and influence over the most vibrant segment of the American economy. This creates huge bind spots and carri…
> What we have here is not explicit racial segregation, but a system operating via capital and clout that has elevated a small group of mostly white men into positions of extreme power and influence over the most vibrant segment of the American economy
Microsoft - Satya Nadella
Google - Sundar Pichai
Twitter - Parag Agrawal
None of these men is white or even born in the USA, and somehow they managed to arrive at positions of extreme power and influence through this system of "capital and clout".
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#458I think a large part of society panicked after we killed racism, and they have been performing CPR on racism ever since.
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> You addressed the wrong argument. The intent is to give groups that are disadvantaged in the hiring process a chance. The intent is equity. Your example distorts that by shifting the balance in favor of an already advantaged group. Then anonymize the resumes so that recruiters can't tell which candidates are men or women, or which is white, Asian, Black, etc. You don't eliminate discrimination by setting caps on ho…
The New York Philharmonic Orchestra introduced blind auditions due to racism concerns - in the 1970ies. New York Times launched a campaign in 2020 to put an end to blind auditions as the orchestra is not diverse enough.
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#460I find it puzzling why people are split by their skin color rather than their country of origin.
There are only marginal differences between a white and a black person born in US, while myself, being a white male born in Russia, cultural experiences and background have barely anything in common with a white person born in US except for the color of my skin.
The same applies for a black guy from US and a black guy from Nigeria or something.
Other people have already brought it up, but Asian is such a vague term as well. There are Asians from 1st world Asian countries (Japan, South Korea, Singapore) and from 3rd world countries (Vietnam and etc).
By diversity logic you really should have quotas for every flavor of color and birth, but you can imagine it's going to lead to madness, so people just choose an easy way out and do this as a PR stunt.