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Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Elon clearly overpromises - but he also over delivers. SpaceX's current capability to deliver payloads to orbit is so far ahead of anyone else (particular considering they started from scratch only 20 years ago). Even their Starlink in just a few years had leapfrogged over incumbent providers. Tesla may not have achieved all they have promised but there is no denying they are the company that is leading innovation in…

> but he also over delivers My family has had reservations for the Roadster, the Cybertruck, and we have a first-edition Model 3 & X. Tesla has overpromised on all of our reservations, and the final product, imo, is not "overdelivering". It's honestly just barely "delivering". >but even in their approach to manufacturing. This is pure Tesla propaganda. Yes they have built bigger versions of existing technology (supep…

Well, I am not an Elon Musk fan or hater and I don’t own any Tesla product. However, I think if your standard for him is “he hasn’t delivered yet on the two brand new proposed models of high-priced EVs that my family has reservations to buy”—I can tell you that I can’t drive 2 minutes without seeing several Teslas, I can see strings of Starlink satellites sometimes when I look into the sky, and at least a couple of times a month I can see SpaceX launches from my backyard.

Seems to me Musk may not be delivering on what you want, which I suggest is a couple of items serving a tiny elite market, but no doubt he is delivering something.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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> What spurred my original comment was that when I hear him talk, I think he does fail to acknowledge the people around him a little to conveniently I'm not sure if you're being facetious here. There are countless examples that exhibit the contrary. Here is one as recent as a few days ago: https://youtu.be/goT5gW57Chc?t=190 Below are a few (out of many others) prior examples: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/10515…

See my comment below but TL;DR I’d like to hear a bit more about “the great team” rather than Musk because I know behind that interview what hard work people are going through to make the things he is showing off happen. “Great job team…thanks for making me trillions” https://twitter.com/heydave7/status/1536015578091048960 This one , as someone who often reads these types of mails is just a pep talk, to tell someone…

Here you go: https://youtu.be/KeswYJgf5mM

> I’d like to hear a bit more about

Not everything is about you and the world doesn’t owe you anything. I’m afraid.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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>I think the world needs less connectivity Enthusiastic yes here on that one. Internet was a great thing but its ubiquity outpaced our maturity to use it responsibly.

The irony of posting these kind of takes on a highly popular internet message board.

Could also mean I'm well experienced with highly connected communication and it'd downsides

Also message boards aren't the same as Twitter

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Capitalism is inherently decentralized. Even just currency lets you separate production and consumption in time and space, which decentralized trade. Writing, even with manual copies but certainly with the printing press, decentralized learning to great effect.

In theory. The wealth gap and inequality would say otherwise. The percentage of people who own as much as the bottom 60% is in the sub thousandths of a percentage. It’s so small I can’t remember the amount of zeros after the decimal point.

"Decentralized" is not synonymous with "equal" or "optimal".

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Jack, are you speaking of the Matrix Protocol? [1] [1]: https://spec.matrix.org/ [2]: https://matrix.org/foundation/

We showed Matrix to Jack and Parag last year - https://matrix.org/blog/2020/12/18/introducing-cerulean/ was the demo. I think Jack might have been wanting with more BTC tho(?)

Nice! I love the matrix cerulean demo! So unfortunate that the Cerulean threading PR seems to have been declined by the community. [1]

[1]: https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals/pull/283...

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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In theory. The wealth gap and inequality would say otherwise. The percentage of people who own as much as the bottom 60% is in the sub thousandths of a percentage. It’s so small I can’t remember the amount of zeros after the decimal point.

"Decentralized" is not synonymous with "equal" or "optimal".

That wasn't my point. The lack of equality means that the very few make all the decisions in this "decentralized" capitalism. The decisions that control and influence capitalism are highly centralized among a comparatively small group.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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> Twitter started as a protocol. It should have never been a company. That was the original sin. Dorsey seems to have figured it out.

That’s easy for him to say after he’s become a billionaire making it a company. Can one give any actual credence to such a sentiment? I mean, Twitter is an internet version of Post-It notes. I don’t even know what he means that it started out as a “protocol”.

It's also easy to say in hindsight too.

Were there plenty of times/chances to see the writing on the wall? Sure... but I really do think when you're in that deep, the money isn't really a factor, its the "life." Twitter ran Jack more than Jack ran Twitter.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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>I was pretty firmly of the theory that his real motive re Twitter was basically narcissism, and I'm still not sure that's wrong. Why is it so hard to believe that Musk genuinely believes in exactly the version of "freedom of speech" that everyone in his generation grew up with, that served as the impetus for much of the internet's creation, etc.?

Because this viewpoint isn’t consistent with his actions; he has a long history of retaliating against anyone who criticizes him, including attacking journalists and threatening them with lawsuits as well as firing employees who raise issues within his companies.

How is "retaliating against criticism" contradictory to free speech?

I could certainly argue with someone on HN but also say their banning is unjust (if I felt that it was).

This has been a "solved" issue for centuries.

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/06/01/defend-say/

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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> Why do I get the feeling this is where everyone who got banned from twitter goes to hang out... we need to let go of this mindset that there are undesirables in this world. there will always be a 'stable diffusion' seeking equilibrium between the places that censor and the places that dont, and the people impacted by those rule parameters will move to the places that dont censor, which will bring non mainstream ide…

I believe there really are undesirables -- people who have demonstrated an inability to participate in civil society and who eventually drive away or drown out all other perspectives in a community. Given the paradox of tolerance, every community is faced with the binary choice between kicking them out or becoming nothing but them. (Like how a bar that is welcoming to Nazi patrons eventually becomes a Nazi bar.) But…

They're on a social media site, for chatting and expressing opinions - that's specifically not the paradox of tolerance. That, as Popper points out, is when speech and debate are given up in favour of violence.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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That is in no way describing left-libertarianism unless your critical of part three and think we should go back to one lord

Huh? No recognizing and being uncomfortable with this stuff is that step toward left-libertarianism. Not endorsing it. Guess I didn't make that clear enough.

I will retract my criticism. Admittedly after dealing with the Mises Caucus I got sensitive to comments on left libertarianism. Thank you for the clarification
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