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Re: Gas Leak in the Baltic Sea

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Post by pixodaros »

gpderetta wrote: post #281
NeverFade wrote: post #154

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> The next question is, who did it? The Russians. > It doesn't seem like something in Russia's interest, they've been wanting to get that pipeline approved and operational. Once their invasion faltered, and with the recent escalation, they had no hope of that happening. The current Russian regime will never be able to repair relations with the west to the extent that will allow the Nordstream pipelines to resume oper…

> The current Russian regime will never be able to repair relations with the west to the extent that will allow the Nordstream pipelines to resume operations They did after the cold war.

Well, yes: there was a regime change and the Soviet empire partially broke up, so over 30 years, the new Russian regime created friendly relations with many of its western neighbours. Pity an idiot in the Kremlin decided to burn all that work by invading UA, but a hypothetical post-Putin regime could start from scratch again.

Re: Gas Leak in the Baltic Sea

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Post by ShivShankaran »

Kukumber wrote: post #303
NeverFade wrote: post #184

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This is not "gas production in the EU", these pipelines used to transport gas produced in Russia to the EU. The termination of their operation has been a done deal for a while. The US has no interest in sabotaging them: it's already a done deal that the US will supply the EU with gas instead of Russia: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-27/europe-is... These facts won't prevent Russian bots from spreadin…

Russian bots? https://www.thelocal.dk/20220407/danish-pm-rebuts-russian-am... https://www.dvidshub.net/news/422733/us-military-makes-histo... Who are they? are they russian by identity, american by faith? US military was there, in the baltic sea

Absolutely anything that is neutral or requesting for peace or mentioning any of US activities is met with "Putin Bot" , "Kremlin Bot", "Russian Bot" accusations including xenophobic slurs of "what I think of Modi". It's insane requesting for any civil conversation in this environment.

Like bruh, my name is from Trinidad. Entirely different continent from India/Asia.

Re: Gas Leak in the Baltic Sea

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Post by optimiz3 »

Kukumber wrote: post #168
henearkr wrote: post #163

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EU and the USA have no interest to provoke methane leaks, as it is a very highly greenhouse effect gas. Putin, on the other hand, does not care.

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> The US have an interest to disrupt gas production in the EU, since they want to sell their gas to the EU

Please. If Russia wanted to keep selling gas to the EU they could have, you know, stopped invading Ukraine.

Also, comment history is nearly 100% pro-Russian talking points.

Re: Gas Leak in the Baltic Sea

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Post by yakshaving_jgt »

pphysch wrote: post #429
throwrqX wrote: post #385

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I don't understand why people here seem to think Russia is acting rationally. The fact they continue the invasion when losing is clearly irrational. They threaten mass nuclear bombardment of Europe nearly daily. I don't see any long term rationality in Putin's government in the slightest. There will be no salvaging the relationship between Germany and Russia for a long time unless Putin gets replaced, even during win…

> I don't understand Have you genuinely attempted to understand the Russian perspective in all this? Like listened to what Moscow has been saying for the last decade? Have you ever read a single one of Putin's speeches, for example? Reading Anne Applebaum screeds in The Atlantic is not seeking understanding, by the way. How can you understand something if you don't attempt to understand it? > What evidence is there f…

I've listened to plenty of Putin's speeches.

He's a compulsive liar.

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Post by gizajob »

pphysch wrote: post #437
NeverFade wrote: post #396

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> The Russians blew up their own brand-new pipeline, which they spend billions creating (jointly with the Germans) and is one of the few major "hopes" to salvage that relationship, especially as winter dawns. There is no "salvaging the relationship" for the current regime. No gas will flow in these pipelines while Putin is in power, and the EU has already prepared alternatives: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles…

The hope in Moscow is that the people of Germany, etc will rise up and democratically remove the Washington proxies (Grünen) from their governments. Then the relationship may be renewed.

Ha. The vodka in Moscow must be pretty strong this year then.

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Post by mrighele »

pphysch wrote: post #429
throwrqX wrote: post #385

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why people here seem to think Russia is acting rationally. The fact they continue the invasion when losing is clearly irrational. They threaten mass nuclear bombardment of Europe nearly daily. I don't see any long term rationality in Putin's government in the slightest. There will be no salvaging the relationship between Germany and Russia for a long time unless Putin gets replaced, even during win…

> I don't understand Have you genuinely attempted to understand the Russian perspective in all this? Like listened to what Moscow has been saying for the last decade? Have you ever read a single one of Putin's speeches, for example? Reading Anne Applebaum screeds in The Atlantic is not seeking understanding, by the way. How can you understand something if you don't attempt to understand it? > What evidence is there f…

I think that Merkel and the other "strong" German leaders are the reason we are at this point (no surprise though, a good amount of them are/were on the Kremlin's payroll).

All the energy related decisions in the past 20 years seems to have been made with the purpose to make Germany dependent on Russia (Nuclear, lack of LPG terminals, etc), and to make sure that countries included in the imperialistic ambitions of Moscow (like Ukraine) could affect influence this relationship (NS1, NS2)

Re: Gas Leak in the Baltic Sea

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Post by gnull »

aredox wrote: post #381
eloff wrote: post #113

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So that doesn't look like an accident. I have difficulty imagining accidental ignition in an underwater gas pipeline. Where would the oxygen come from? Plus it's more than one explosion on the same day - can't be a coincidence. The next question is, who did it? It doesn't seem like something in Russia's interest, they've been wanting to get that pipeline approved and operational. They invested huge sums of money to b…

It is in Russia's interest: this is their last warning before the North Sea pipelines blow up too.

Blow up your own pipelines to warn someone else?

Re: Gas Leak in the Baltic Sea

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Post by squarefoot »

squarefoot wrote: post #340

I recall of an old story, say from 3-5 years ago, of some non military (geomagnetism?) sensors in that area that seemed to be damaged on purpose by an unknown actor, and one of the speculations was that they could be used to detect alterations to the (edit: measured) Earth magnetic field by submarines passing by.

Might be this one, although years have passed and I can't be sure 100%.

https://www.science.org/content/article/suspect-surfaces-mys...

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