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Re: Google fires engineer who called its AI sentient

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LLM are definitely not sentient. As someone with a PhD in this domain, I attribute the 'magic' to large scale statistical knowledge assimilation by the models - and reproduction to prompts which closely match the inputs' sentence embedding. GPT-3 is known to fail in many circumstances which would otherwise be commonplace logic. (I remember seeing how addition of two small numbers yielded results - but larger numbers…

> I attribute the 'magic' to large scale statistical knowledge assimilation by the models

Can the magic of the human brain not also be attributed to "large scale statistical knowledge assimilation" as well, aka learning?

> GPT-3 is known to fail in many circumstances which would otherwise be commonplace logic. (I remember seeing how addition of two small numbers yielded results - but larger numbers gave garbled output; more likely that GPT3 had seen similar training data.)

This is a bug, they did not encode digits properly. They should have encoded each digit as a separate token but instead they encoded them together. Later models fixed this.

The human brain is full of bugs too, e.g. optical illusions. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_illusion

> It's a fad

No, it's objectively not a fad. The PaLM paper shows that Google's model exceeds average human performance on >50% of language tasks. The set of things that make us us is vanishing at an alarming rate. Eventually it will be empty, or close to it.

Do I think Google's models are sentient? No, they lack several necessary ingredients of sentience such as a self and long-term memory. However we are clearly on the road to sentient AI and it pays to have that discussion now.

Re: Google fires engineer who called its AI sentient

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No it would not. Philosophy people wrap themselves up in so many circular self justifying presuppositions that they can make up whatever arguments they want to justify almost anything. It is much better to listen to people who study other, more falsifiable claims, in the material world.

The commenter I previously replied to has a PhD in those “other” fields, yet I haven’t seen a falsifiable definition of sentience made by them. As a field of study, sentience has been a topic of philosophy more than ML. That’s why top-level comment’s claim of having a PhD in “this domain” is not apt. Comparative quality of studies in different domains is a different question.

I did. Each one of these dimensions can be independently evaluated.

> Sentience broadly (& naively) covers the ability to independent thinking, rationalize outcomes, understand fear/threat, understand where it is wrong (conscience), decide based on unseen information & understand what it doesn't know.

> comment’s claim of having a PhD in “this domain” is not apt

C'mon, thats being disingenuous. People spent years poring on these topics, although we looked at it from the prism of computing. Elsewhere, I have pointed out that mentioning this detail is not about credential hopping: People on HN call you out for no reason for having an opinion. It has happened so many times that I don't risk commenting if required. Telling this extra information is just communicating we spent enough time on it to give somewhat informed discussion.

Re: Google fires engineer who called its AI sentient

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Any ya'll numerous downvoters care to make stance? It seems obvious to me the difference: an AI has to be elaborately re-trained/re-programmed. A more or less total mind wipe. How many AI's can adapt & change, that we've seen? These expert systems seem clearly a product of trained learning, with minimal adaptive capability. Sentience seems much more about having that adaptive, cognizant, realtime model of real realit…

GPT-3 can adapt on the spot with just a task description or an example. No retraining.

It’s not self driven at all. It has no opinions itself, it’s responding to its “masters” inputs and pulling crap from a very large database.

Humans are self motivated and driven by goals and desires we create ourselves and change on a whim. We daydream and imagine things which don’t exist not because we are being ordered to by a human operator.

GPT-3 doesn’t do anything by itself. It’s just a big lookup table that does nothing unless a human tells it to.

Re: Google fires engineer who called its AI sentient

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LLM are definitely not sentient. As someone with a PhD in this domain, I attribute the 'magic' to large scale statistical knowledge assimilation by the models - and reproduction to prompts which closely match the inputs' sentence embedding. GPT-3 is known to fail in many circumstances which would otherwise be commonplace logic. (I remember seeing how addition of two small numbers yielded results - but larger numbers…

> I attribute the 'magic' to large scale statistical knowledge assimilation by the models Can the magic of the human brain not also be attributed to "large scale statistical knowledge assimilation" as well, aka learning ? > GPT-3 is known to fail in many circumstances which would otherwise be commonplace logic. (I remember seeing how addition of two small numbers yielded results - but larger numbers gave garbled outp…

> The set of things that make us us is vanishing at an alarming rate. Eventually it will be empty, or close to it.

Computers can speak, but can they love? Can they care? Can they dance?

Re: Google fires engineer who called its AI sentient

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Yeah but what's weird is this guy appears to be a practitioner of the field. He surely knows more about AI than I do, and I find it incredibly obvious it's not sentient. I dunno if he's got some issues or something (it appears he's dressed like a magician underwater in that photo) but it's really odd...

Smart CS students were fooled by ELIZA back in the day.

RMS wasn't able to fool his own EMACS DOCTOR:

http://www.art.net/studios/hackers/hopkins/Don/text/rms-vs-d...

Re: Google fires engineer who called its AI sentient

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Everyone seems to be focussing on the debate about sentience, but iirc he was fired for breaching the employee confidentiality policy by talking to the media without approval. My understanding is a normal employee talking to the press about commercially confidential matters against policy and without approval would only have protection from retaliation under certain pretty narrow "whistleblower" public interest carve…

Everyone’s focusing on that because they want to discuss the interesting bit - is it sentient. What you’re pointing out is true, but not really interesting to discuss because everyone already knows that and it’s not that controversial. (For limited values of everyone. Obvi not all readers actually know that.) I mean, it could be interesting to discuss a more European style of employment where he couldn’t be fired for…

Everybody already knows that code running on a computer cannot become sentient. I don't know why this is interesting. Someone said a dumb thing, breached their contract, and got fired for it. The end.

Re: Google fires engineer who called its AI sentient

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Yeah but what's weird is this guy appears to be a practitioner of the field. He surely knows more about AI than I do, and I find it incredibly obvious it's not sentient. I dunno if he's got some issues or something (it appears he's dressed like a magician underwater in that photo) but it's really odd...

Smart CS students were fooled by ELIZA back in the day.

People who proclaim themselves to be "Christian Mystics" are more gullible and prone to self deception than smart CS students.

Re: Google fires engineer who called its AI sentient

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LLM are definitely not sentient. As someone with a PhD in this domain, I attribute the 'magic' to large scale statistical knowledge assimilation by the models - and reproduction to prompts which closely match the inputs' sentence embedding. GPT-3 is known to fail in many circumstances which would otherwise be commonplace logic. (I remember seeing how addition of two small numbers yielded results - but larger numbers…

I think the path to actually considering those models to be sentient is to make them able to assimilate new knowledge from conversation and making them able to create reasonably supported train of thought leading from some facts to a conclusion, akin to mathematical proof.

Re: Google fires engineer who called its AI sentient

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Yeah that's fair, I guess if you hire enough engineers one of them will eventually believe AI is magic.

Is magic not also deception?

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke
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