If US or other nations can’t run a social media app in China, I see no reason the US or other nations should allow China to do it in their country.
FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores
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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores
#452Earlier quoted context omitted.
This comment doesn't seem to understand what the parent was saying or engage with their argument at all? 1. No it's not fine that American companies are threats to privacy and so on, and it should be dealt with. 2. However TikTok is a special case in that in addition to the above, it presents a national security risk (to the Americans), so it's reasonable to treat it differently and with more urgency.
> it presents a national security risk (to the Americans) In what way. Surely there is a shutdown button to press if TikTok go rouge. Dissidents should rather use the social networks the gov. or establishment wants to ban than the one they control (e.g. FB).
> In what way.
There's some discussion about this in the article.
> Surely there is a shutdown button to press if TikTok go rouge.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "going rogue". The idea is that the company is already closely connected to the Chinese government. Are you saying the Americans should wait until they have undeniable proof that the data is being used for the political purposes of the CCP? Would they even be able to find that out (and if they did, would they be able to tell the world how?)?
> Dissidents should rather use the social networks the gov. or establishment wants to ban than the one they control (e.g. FB).
That makes some sense, sure, but we're not talking about security from the perspective of dissidents, we're talking about national security from the viewpoint of the government and the mainstream population, which is the one you'd expect the FCC to act according to.
Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores
#453I don't have a horse in this race at all, but the annoying part is that the same rules don't get applied across the board. Everything they're accusing TikTok of - from data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem. Not the fact that the data is now in the hands of the Chinese but that the data is being collected at all provided to t…
I think things will move in the right direction. Next we should see Europe ban meta apps in Europe. Let's own our data again. Make the apps store data locally only.
Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores
#454Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is not. When I go shopping I give them a bill and I get something to eat. Both parties are better off after that transaction. Similarly, if I am good at making stuff but terrible at growing stuff, by being in a community I can survive despite an utter lack of agricultural abilities and produce stuff that the farmers would not know how to make. Again, not zero sum. You could argue that this is civilisation and unna…
I’m not sure you know what 0 sum is. Zero sum doesn’t mean you can’t exchange money for goods and services. > When I go shopping I give them a bill and I get something to eat. Both parties are better off after that transaction. Yes, you go shopping and exchange N dollars for N dollars worth of goods. The net change is 0. That’s why it’s zero sum. Of course, life isn’t truly 0 sum. Otherwise we’d have no total economi…
> I’m not sure you know what 0 sum is.
“Zero-sum game is a mathematical representation in game theory and economic theory of a situation which involves two sides, where the result is an advantage for one side and an equivalent loss for the other”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-sum_game
> Zero sum doesn’t mean you can’t exchange money for goods and services.
Zero-sum means that when I win, the other party loses. It means that there cannot be a voluntary exchange, because to agree about an exchange both parties need to see an upside.
> Yes, you go shopping and exchange N dollars for N dollars worth of goods. The net change is 0.
That is not what it means, though. In any case, I am better off after the exchange because now I have something to eat. The merchant is better off as well because now they can buy an iPhone or something. We are both better off at the end, and nobody has to lose. A zero-sum game in this instance might be the farmer who was pressured to sell €10 cheaper so that the merchant can take these €10 as margin. There was a net transfer from one party to the other with no other upside. But it is far from the only type of situation in life.
The initial assertion was “life is a zero-sum game”. Not by a long shot.
> However, how those economic gains are distributed probably is 0 sum.
Again, that is not what it means. Game theory does not need the concept of currency.
Besides, even assuming that it were the case, the fact that the amount of most currencies in existence just keeps increasing is a proof that it does not work like that. Someone, somewhere has to generate that money, therefore there are net emitters.
Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores
#455I don't have a horse in this race at all, but the annoying part is that the same rules don't get applied across the board. Everything they're accusing TikTok of - from data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem. Not the fact that the data is now in the hands of the Chinese but that the data is being collected at all provided to t…
Personally I have no problem with generally addressing privacy…. AND taking special note when significantly less free nations are involved.
Less free nations are worthy of special attention.
Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores
#456If US or other nations can’t run a social media app in China, I see no reason the US or other nations should allow China to do it in their country.
It's less true in the modern world, but traditionally, "The US" doesn't run any kind of business. It's like the anecdote where Gorbachev saw a supermarket and asked which government official was in charge of making sure it was stocked.
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#457Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sorry if other languages aren’t permissible. I can delete it if I need to.
I don't think it's against the rules at all; we had a thread a couple weeks ago which ended up being mostly in German. We native speakers enjoy the privilege of reading English nearly every where we go online, it should be no skin off our back to pop open Google Translate every once in a while.
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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores
#458Earlier quoted context omitted.
Whatever it needs to do becomes different based on how your country is governed. China has unelected* leaders that at least in theory holds only Communist ideals. While flawed, in a republic at least you get to vote for your leaders, and thus choose what ideals you like the best. Of course republicanism or democracy does not preclude a country from committing horrible acts, but they are cleaned up much sooner, and th…
In the US, you are expected to uphold the line that brings you donors. That makes leftist parties non-viable. That’s not such a big difference from the Chinese situation as you’d think, except in direction.
What makes leftist parties unviable is the majority of the population disapproving of socialism.
People online vastly overestimate the actual effect of money on political results, naturally disregarding all the donations made to candidates that lose and ignoring races where the lesser funded candidates win.
If Americans wanted a leftist government, they’d vote for it, simple as that. And yet even in the most left leaning states and cities in the nation , leftist principles have failed to gain much electoral ground.
Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores
#459I agree, but from where I'm sitting (Europe) the exact same thing goes for many US based companies. Not that we have an alternative, and at least you can easily get by without TikTok (I haven't even visited it, ever).
The same thing doesn't go for many US based companies.
What US law requires US companies above a certain minimal (~50 employees) size to "hire" government employees to supervise their operations at the innermost layers?
What US law makes all US corporate intellectual property and information legally owned by the government?
Google barely even complies with subpoenas.
Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores
#460Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m not sure you know what 0 sum is. Zero sum doesn’t mean you can’t exchange money for goods and services. > When I go shopping I give them a bill and I get something to eat. Both parties are better off after that transaction. Yes, you go shopping and exchange N dollars for N dollars worth of goods. The net change is 0. That’s why it’s zero sum. Of course, life isn’t truly 0 sum. Otherwise we’d have no total economi…
> I’m not sure you know what 0 sum is. “Zero-sum game is a mathematical representation in game theory and economic theory of a situation which involves two sides, where the result is an advantage for one side and an equivalent loss for the other” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-sum_game > Zero sum doesn’t mean you can’t exchange money for goods and services. Zero-sum means that when I win, the other party loses.…
Yes, zero sum means a gain for one is a loss for another. But you’re not gaining or losing when you buy something. The seller isn’t gaining or losing either. You’re both trading like for like.
Again, zero sum does not imply like for like trades are impossible.