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The case for bad coffee (2015)

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Re: The case for bad coffee (2015)

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Perhaps. But that's how Starbucks works, by buying shitty beans and dark roasting them. It also makes it easier to have consistent coffee (consistently burnt, that is).

Starbucks coffee tastes like battery acid.

you shouldn't taste battery acid. really. don't.

Re: The case for bad coffee (2015)

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Surprisingly, yes. "Mainstream" ones like Black Rifle Coffee (which is trying to lose its political image and focus on being coffee for our military, now that it is big wants to be able to keep growing by "selling across the aisle") But also a whole range of farther-right ones -- Liberty Coffee is one, Stocking Mill Coffee made a bit of a name for itself by commenting over the Kyle Rittenhouse controversy, Thrasher C…

Huh. Coffee shops definitely have a vaguely liberal vibe to them. Otherwise, though -- it is kinda funny that there's apparently a left-leaning association for coffee that they feel the need to push back on. Like coffee is kind of a ubiquitous thing that people consume to help them concentrate at their bland corporate jobs. And the story behind sourcing it is... something that left leaning people are often not super…

The smaller "third wave coffee" shops generally have a liberal bent to them -- largely because the movement was born in Portland and Seattle. You are much more likely to see an "ACAB" sticker, a rainbow flag, or other left-virtue device on display than anything on the other side of the spectrum.

Starbucks may be anti-union, but they have frequently taken public stances of a liberal variety (particularly around visible issues like LGBT activism, and occasionally on guns) which has left those who felt alienated as a ready market for coffee without the moralizing (or coffee with their sort of moralizing)

I often try to find a mainstream trend in the other direction to compare it to, but there are so few mainstream consumer categories dominated by the right, mostly due to demographics.

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I’ve gone through several coffee phases, some bordering on extreme — extremely sensitive weighing, timing, $2,000 grinders, $10k espresso machine, etc. My happy medium is just doing basic pour overs, but with really good locally roasted coffee. To me, this is the cheapest and best approach. In fact, even if pour overs require too much work (weighing, timing), then just do drip. But do it with quality coffee. Quality…

How much do you spend per cup for your "happy medium"? I ask as a happy non-coffee drinker.

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I’ve gone through several coffee phases, some bordering on extreme — extremely sensitive weighing, timing, $2,000 grinders, $10k espresso machine, etc. My happy medium is just doing basic pour overs, but with really good locally roasted coffee. To me, this is the cheapest and best approach. In fact, even if pour overs require too much work (weighing, timing), then just do drip. But do it with quality coffee. Quality…

"Bordering on the extreme"?! You are the marketer's ideal mark. $2K for a $20 grinder? $10K for a $100 coffee machine? And that's before rip-off beans...

I assure you that the difference between a $2k and $20 grinder is vast. Reasonably competent, usable espresso grinders generally start at hundreds of dollars and go up from there. If you can figure out how to make a good one for $20, you’ll make a fortune. Same goes for the machine.

Re: The case for bad coffee (2015)

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I finally managed to quit drinking coffee and tea. I used to drink one big cup a day each morning of one and a half teaspoons of Nescafé Gold and throughout the day multiple cups of tea. There was a constant feeling of anxiety or irritation or nervousness in me which has gone away.

I haven't dialed back my coffee consumption, but I have dialed back the caffeine. I love the taste of coffee at least as much as I love the morning ritual. I tried tea and coffee alternatives, but they never took. I stopped entirely for about 6-7mos, but didn't notice any significant differences (e.g., sleep was the same, anxiety no worse but no better, etc.)

If you like coffee, but don't like the occasional jitters or anxiety that caffeine can bring with it, go decaf or 1/2 caf. Decaf gets a bad rap.

Re: The case for bad coffee (2015)

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I’ve gone through several coffee phases, some bordering on extreme — extremely sensitive weighing, timing, $2,000 grinders, $10k espresso machine, etc. My happy medium is just doing basic pour overs, but with really good locally roasted coffee. To me, this is the cheapest and best approach. In fact, even if pour overs require too much work (weighing, timing), then just do drip. But do it with quality coffee. Quality…

Amen. Whenever people ask me what coffee to get from the grocery store (I do get that question sometimes because in some circles I'm known as a coffee snob) I usually tell them there's really only one thing you need to look at: roasting date. Pick the freshest one. That's the factor that overpowers all the others.

(Then my personal preference, given a tie in roasting date, is also for the more lightly roasted stuff.)

My pet peeve is the expensive, fancy-looking stuff that boasts to be "roasted in Italy" or whatever. That's basically bragging that "this coffee went stale before it even entered your country".

Re: The case for bad coffee (2015)

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I mean people can drink coffee however they want, but dark roasting beans absolutely destroys the majority of flavors within the bean. There’s no denying that. It’s similar to eating a steak well done. People do it, and it’s even very common in certain countries. But it’s removing the majority of flavor. I don’t see how anyone could deny that.

To me, light roasts taste like somebody squeezed half a lemon into my cup of coffee. That bright floral/citrus flavor is something I absolutely do not want in my morning brew. I crave that slightly bitter, heavy body, chocolate/nutty flavor that I associate with dark roasts.

I’m so happy to hear someone else say this. I’m almost ashamed of my preference for medium to the darker side of medium roast. I cannot stand the fruity flavor that’s in vogue these days—I get that it’s more complex and has more intricate flavors, but it’s just not the comforting caramel-y roast that I’m accustomed to.

Re: The case for bad coffee (2015)

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I’ve gone through several coffee phases, some bordering on extreme — extremely sensitive weighing, timing, $2,000 grinders, $10k espresso machine, etc. My happy medium is just doing basic pour overs, but with really good locally roasted coffee. To me, this is the cheapest and best approach. In fact, even if pour overs require too much work (weighing, timing), then just do drip. But do it with quality coffee. Quality…

100% my V60 pour over is my daily go to when I am wfh... Massively better than my office coffee.

Re: The case for bad coffee (2015)

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All coffee is good. It just shouldn't ever cost more than $2. Coffee is not a luxury. It's bread and butter

I don't care much for coffee, but I do indulge in luxury bread and butter. Any local sourdough and Kerrygold butter is a good start. It's not thr best or anything, but it's very nice if you've never tried fancy bread and butter.

Luxury bread is yet another overpriced commodity

In mediterranean countries, "luxury" coffee and bread are sold over the counter at affordable prices. Try charging more than €1 for a coffee in Spain or Italy and you will quickly lose customers. Or more than €1 for any type of bread

However in the UK, buying "luxury" bread is always >£2

The prices are nonsense; it costs exactly the same to make one type of bread as it does another. The same goes for coffee. Production costs may vary by one or two cents and are completely automated

It's just a fashion

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