I love the cybernetic potato diet mentioned at the end: if weight is over target, then eat only potatoes for a week; else eat whatever you want. What could go wrong?
Thoughts on the potato diet
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Re: Thoughts on the potato diet
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I eat six eggs for breakfast, with vegetables and maybe a bowl of kefir with some mango and I'm hungry around 10 — breakfast being at 7-8.
I guess you're an outlier (or have a tapeworm :) I physically can't eat any more than 3 eggs because I'd feel completely full.
Or somewhere else on the bell-curve.
Maybe I'm twenty kilos heavier than you, exercise more than you, have a bigger appetite than you. Maybe a tape-worm ;) My post, along with many others that have replied to you seem to have done so to challenge your guarantee.
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> I find protein and fat way more satiating than, well, anything else. For example, eat 2 eggs for breakfast and I guarantee you won't even think a out food again until lunch time, if not dinner time. That's not what satiety means (at least in this context), right? I'm reading OP's definition as "you'll eat less [calories] per sitting because you'll feel satiated more quickly", rather than your "your feeling of non-h…
One is "given the same calories, you'll be full longer." The other is "given fewer calories, you'll be full for as long." Surely those aren't orthogonal?
That seems like it'd be the definition of orthogonal; "length of fullness" and "caloric input" are separate variables, and each of those statements entails altering one of those variables independently from the other.
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Science, like reality, is that that doesn't stop existing when you close your eyes (or when you don't care).
did the sciences of phrenology, plum pudding model, God doesn't play dice, et al stop existing? I hope?
You seem to conflate science with individual theories (which can be abandoned, expanded, improved, or kept as a special case approximation, like Newtonian physics, and so on), and advances in knowledge.
You also seem to think that the prevailig theory at some era is intechangable with arbitrary personal opinions about how things are.
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There's your answer: mashed potato. Not only did you boil the potato, but you pre-chewed it too. Mashed potato is about as close as you can get to refined potato (potato flour). What you've created is easily digestable amylopectin - pre-chewed, already gelatinized and suspension with water. The amylase in your saliva can mix extremely well with mashed potatoes, and within minutes that amylopectin will be available as…
Mashed potatoes also contain milk and butter, which don't do well on the satiety index. But really we are talking about two different things: GI and satiety. Yes potatoes are high GI. It would follow that they will spike your blood sugar. No claims have been made to the contrary. Satiety is about how full you will feel per calorie eaten of that food. Multiple factors contribute to satiety. Specifically boiled potatoe…
Sure, but shouldn't satiety also factor in how long you feel full for?
And that's where GI comes in - high GI foods cause blood sugar spikes, and the crash will make you feel hungry again.
Pasta is a good example - it feels very satiating at the time, but the feeling doesn't last long.
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What is reactive hypoglycemia?
[L]ow blood sugar that occurs after a meal — usually within four hours after eating. This is different from low blood sugar (hypoglycemia) that occurs while fasting. - https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/diabetes/expe... For me personally, it feels like you're having a panic attack, you get ravenously hungry and eat anything in sight, tremors and heart palpitations, confusion, irritability, dizziness. No f…
It could be life threatening in the wrong circumstances. For example, one time years ago I was having a bad hypo, and had become very confused - and I was about to get in the car and drive, before my wife stopped me.
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This seems highly unlikely to me. I have reactive hypoglycemia, and can say that potatoes spike my blood glucose levels more than table sugar - they have a really high glycemic index, and anyone with blood sugar issues should totally avoid them IMO. And the thing about foods with a high glycemic index is that they cause you to feel hungry when your blood sugar rapidly drops back to baseline. I find protein and fat wa…
> eat 2 eggs for breakfast and I guarantee you won't even think a out food again until lunch time, if not dinner time. I don't understand the motivation to make such a guarantee. It's as though you assume there are many people on HN who have never tried eating two eggs in the same meal. Do you maybe live in a place where eggs are rare (or not commonly eaten)? (For what it's worth, my personal experience matches that…
Lol, no, eggs are not rare - but eating eggs without also eating carbs at the same time seems to be.
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Au contraire, it's very useful. If you want someone to lose weight, calculate their BMR + their rough activity based cal burn, and give 'em a 15% deficit. They'll lose weight. Not just water and glycogen. They will burn fat. If you want someone to gain weight, do the same calc, tell 'em to eat 100 more calories. Not gaining? 200. Really not gaining? Wow, fast metabolism, shock 'em with 500 extra. Anecdata, but the on…
you are ignoring what he said. I don't know if it's true, but he's saying CI is not simply a function of how much you put in your mouth, but how much of that your body absorbs. the other answers here are more detailed, I just wanted to state it simply.
Not ignoring it - the in in calories in isn’t what you put in your mouth, it’s what you can absorb. Hence why you don’t count fiber towards your calories.
Again, the digestion point seems to reinforce CICO. If you gain weight because your digestion is slower (let’s grant the point), it’s not because your body some how treats calories differently, it’s that you’re getting more calories from your food. Your calories in are higher.
Not to mention that diet products have existed to game your digestive system to absorb less calories from your food. With the rationale being… less CI in CICO. See also: folks abusing laxatives for this purpose
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Do you eat your potatos with either butter or olive oil? My understanding is that lipids flatten the glycemic curve.
Yes, but unless the ratio is heavily skewed towards fat and protein, in reality it makes little difference (as tested with a glucose meter).
Ah that makes sense. Out of sheer curiosity, can you quantify “heavily” from your experience? Are we talking about 3:1? 10:1? Also, is this by weight or by calorie?
Re: Thoughts on the potato diet
#460There's actually some science behind this diet. Potatoes are the highest scoring food on the satiety index. https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/15-incredibly-filling-f... Basically they're the most filling food per calorie. So if you subscribe to the idea that losing weight is mainly about how many calories you consume, a potato heavy diet should be effective. And an all potato diet, while monomaniacal, even more ef…
> And an all potato diet, while monomaniacal, even more effective.
I met someone on a Potatoes + Curd/Butter diet and he said something that stuck with me - "You need to eat the skins too".
So you can't just eat fries or mashed potatoes, but more like baked potatoes in skin with sour cream.
Seems a bit crazy, but it seemed to make him happy & felt like he was discovering something unique rather than being forced by someone else.
> even with a cheat day
Cheat days are under-explained, they're not for fun.
If you keep up a calorie deficit long-term, then your metabolism tanks and the easiest way to convince your body that it doesn't need to cut costs is to take a day of extra calories intermixed with the fasting.
If you don't do them, you will feel tired all the time when fasting.