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Re: Coinbase stock lost over 75% value

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So they want to replace the government backed USD with a government backed USD except it's on the blockchain because....?

to normalize currencies world wide, the end game is killing cash

Why?

Re: Coinbase stock lost over 75% value

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Probably works in some parts of the country but it doesn’t work in SV unless you’re mega-wealthy already and paid off your house.

It works if you live by yourself in a 1BR. To pay the mortgage on a family home you probably need to sell RSUs. It is also super risky to to buy a house you need RSUs to hold on to - exactly the kind of risk that is unreasonable if you have a family.

It's not impossible to afford a house in the Bay Area on just cash compensation, if you're a dual-finance/tech/legal/medical couple and both partners have risen to mid-levels in their organization. L6/E6 cash compensation is about $225K, two of them is $450K, figure 50% out for taxes/401k/benefits and you're taking home about $225K/year or about $18K/month. PITI for a $2.5M home (20% down) is about $14K, so you've got $4K/month to spend on everything else. That's just barely enough - it's like someone making $48K/year but having no housing expenses, which is tight but lots of people do it.

Re: Coinbase stock lost over 75% value

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$FB was barely profitable, IPOing with a 400 P/E. And they had losses in two consecutive quarters a year after the IPO[1]. AMZN wasn't profitable for 7 years, then fell to unprofitable again in 2012 and 2014[2]. AAPL was net in the red from 1996 to 2003[3]. So, were all these companies "Ponzi schemes" during the eras where they were investing in growth? And if your only qualification is to "be profitable" for somethi…

Apple went public in 1980 and Facebook was at least profitable. Everyone though that Amazon would never make a profit. Even today most of Amazon’s profit comes from AWS.

So, you don't even bother respecting what I wrote? Cool. I'm sorry I bothered to help you.

If your definition of "Ponzi Scheme" is simply that a company is profitable the moment they go public, then not even the original Ponzi Scheme was a Ponzi Scheme.

Re: Coinbase stock lost over 75% value

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> tech darlings are no longer darlings and are being hammered across the board. Good, let it fall much more. Coinbase was never a darling for anything but the out of touch uninitiated (marks) in the 'crypto markets' because only MTGOX was ever this incompetent and amazingly useless at what they do. Be it from canceled purchases, reversed transactions, inappropriately flagged, suspended, or canceled accounts etc... Th…

I heard the podcast and honestly didn't see it like this. I saw Armstrong as a driven guy that puts business first. I don't think the "non-woke" communication was intentional, it was forced. The guy wanted the company to move forward and saw himself discussing other things that were not important for the future of the company. Where I felt it was a but empty was on the part where he talked about the mission. I felt l…

> I heard the podcast and honestly didn't see it like this.

Are you at all involved in the Fintech or Bitcoin ecosystem? This is a critical component of why I view him as such, his co-founder is ex Goldman Sachs. He is backed by the SV VC Powerhouses that these 3 supposedly lambast, but have had dealings with in the past (Sequoia et al).

> I saw Armstrong as a driven guy that puts business first. I don't think the "non-woke" communication was intentional, it was forced. The guy wanted the company to move forward and saw himself discussing other things that were not important for the future of the company.

That means his optics worked, likely only on the uninitiated to this space because this was extremely political in nature, again look back to the Segwit/USAF wars we went through. It's all there, Armstrong sided with a bunch of conmen for his own personal gain and still has one of the largest BTC holdings. This was the equivalent of insider trading on top of racketeering.

> Where I felt it was a but empty was on the part where he talked about the mission. I felt like he's trying to find a reason for them to exist when in fact their success until today is from retail investors pumping Crypto. I don't think there's much good in the world coming from their actions.

This is a matter of interpretation, and depending on what period you're talking about in Coinbase's history it can vastly differ: initially they were onboarding many more into something seemingly too arcane for the average retail customer to grasp after the collapse of MTGOX this was necessary as most exchanges operated on too far of the fringes. What they did was simplify this for the layman, who couldn't understand the initial complexity of the tech: you use to have to run your own node on QT before webwallets/mobile wallets were a thing. This was daunting for me when I began, too, but I unlike most became obsessed what this tech's possibility ever since and it began my career into tech.

I won't go into why Bitcoin has helped many more than the average affluent HN tech worker will ever grasp here, but in short their ability to onboard many into this ecosystem allowed for immense upward mobility for generations that have been only marginalized and relegated to poverty in even developed nations due to inflation and higher costs of living and stagnant, if not negative/declining wages relative to expenses.

Coinbase many lists alts, most of which are pump and dump schemes for sure, but the fact remains that even in this current down-turn if you DCA into BTC for several years prior to 2021 you'd still be looking at really nice returns.

I'M MAKING IT VERY CLEAR I WANT TO SEE THE DEMISE OF COINBASE!

I wont bore you with the tech side either, frankly I think it's not worth my time and you can look at my post history of you want more context about why that is, but the short of it is Armstrong represents a point in which VC and it's expand and moat to IPO and cash model was institutionalized in what was before fertile ground for experimentation trying to move away from this model--BTC-e still remained the most reliable exchange until it was seized by the Feds outside of it's jurisdiction.

I swear, we can write like 50 movies of just the last 13 years of BTC history, but all anyone wants to focus on is Silkroad.

Re: Coinbase stock lost over 75% value

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Generalizations are not generally valid. You are putting whole ecosystem into the same bucket. Yes, there are a lot of shitcoins.. But there is also Bitcoin.

Which is, itself, down 50%. Only 50% left to go.

Bitcoin was down 80% before from ATH and recovered stronger. Every time it drops, we do not need to start talking about it going to zero -- roll eyes

Re: Coinbase stock lost over 75% value

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I'm up 40% since Jan 1 2022. I've been short the markets and shorted AMZN since November 2021. I've made roughly $100k on it and just closed my position today.

Good for you...the medal's on its way

I don't need a medal, the money I earned is good enough.

Re: Coinbase stock lost over 75% value

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A PE ratio of 30 for a value stock? You have got to be kidding me. Average PE ratio for the SP500 was about 15 until the pandemic.

It's all dependent on interest rates, because that sets the discount rate that all investments are compared to. A P/E of 30 is an earnings yield of about 3% (1/30). A steady cash-flowing stock will compare favorably to any bond with an interest rate of A P/E of 15 is an earnings yield of about 6% and change. When rates are in the 6% range, this is fairly valued. A P/E of 6-10, like what was considered good in the lat…

Except that's not how the markets work. Historically the PE ratios were much lower and the rates were much higher. Your model doesn't even work 5 years ago.

Re: Coinbase stock lost over 75% value

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Kinda hard to do ransomware with cash.

Well the OP did not mention ransomware, so my comment is not addressing that case. Here is a fun article as a counter point: https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2021/07/13/dont-blame-bitco... And my comment: Piracy and kidnapping of property existed long before cryptocurrency -- just google Somalian pirates. I don't have to reason about person kidnapping I assume. Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ransomware#Encryptin…

I don't even have the ability to downvote on HN.

Re: Coinbase stock lost over 75% value

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Siberian permafrost is melting, and the apartment buildings relying on it for a foundation are collapsing.

I think there was an implicit /s on that comment.

Good joke, but knowing that foundations in permafrost don't "depend" on it but adapt and adjust to it (either through adjustable piers, gravel pads, or floor joists floating on insulation and gravel, etc)... definitely an /s
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