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Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Post by Shuang1 »

mikemac wrote: post #306
mfer wrote: post #46

I've spent a fair amount of time talking with nurses about the problems. I'm related to a bunch of people who are nurses across disciplines (ER, ICU, med/surg, etc). It's been enlightening hearing them talk about the problems... 1. Many new nurses make the same or more and long time nurses. It's frustrating when the nurse in charge with the most experience is making less than new nurses. Some hospitals are even tryin…

Agree with all of this, and just to add one thing: liability. Look at the RaDonda Vaught case or the Michelle Heughins case; terrifying to be looking at jail time for a med error. Many nurses are watching these cases more closely and deciding that since staffing isn't getting any better and they won't be protected, it's not worth the risk.

That case goes far beyond med error and I don't understand why people keep bringing it up as an example.

She pulled the wrong med, and then injected it and walked out of the room rather than observing for effects. Also the med she pulled had warnings on all sides of the bottle and on the top saying very clearly that it's fatal to administer without ventilation. This went beyond a mistake to negligence.

Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Post by [deleted] »

vlunkr wrote: post #434
cupofpython wrote: post #422

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> 90% seems way too high to be people who are actively wanting to leave We are talking about the people who clean up the nastiest human waste that our bodies are capable of producing. I was already surprised that this number was ever less than 100% tbh

Well they knew that going in, so I'm not convinced that's a factor.

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Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Post by 14 »

cogman10 wrote: post #416
mfer wrote: post #46

I've spent a fair amount of time talking with nurses about the problems. I'm related to a bunch of people who are nurses across disciplines (ER, ICU, med/surg, etc). It's been enlightening hearing them talk about the problems... 1. Many new nurses make the same or more and long time nurses. It's frustrating when the nurse in charge with the most experience is making less than new nurses. Some hospitals are even tryin…

The one I think you are missing is that nurses are and have been overworked for a WHILE now. (that's what I get from /r/nursing) Hospitals have made sure they hire JUST ENOUGH nurses to cover shifts and no more. With covid hitting, this blew out the number of nurses needed resulting in a lot of "I know you've already worked 60 hours, but can you do another 20? we are short!". Rather than hiring permanent people or up…

From a Canadian stand point you American nurses are already highly paid. My brother works in the US and was recently thinking of coming back to work closer to where he grew up. The best deal he could get here was $20usd less then what he makes there. So on top of making $20 more then a nurse here he is also making it in USD. He is making huge amounts of cash as a nurse down there. How much more do nurses need?

Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Post by mulmen »

I did IT support in a hospital for a year. Nurses do everything. Their job is both hard and thankless. I do not doubt satisfaction is low.

But this sounds like the employee satisfaction corollary to Sturgeon’s Law [1].

“90% of employed people are considering leaving their profession in the next year.”

This survey would be more compelling if it compared nurses responses with the general employed population over time. I only skimmed so maybe it does and I missed it.

[1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon's_law

Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Post by Clubber »

ren_engineer wrote: post #343
dontbeevil1992 wrote: post #166

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capitalism is the reason for hospitals choosing to serve patients covered by Medicare which will give them a blank check with tax payer money?

>Medicare ... will give them a blank check with tax payer money?

Whoever gave you that idea, you should stop listening to them.

Medicare payments are subject to a medicare fee schedule, which is typically much lower than a traditional private enterprise's fee schedule. What that means is medicare gets billed a lot less than a regular patient with insurance.

https://www.kff.org/medicare/issue-brief/how-much-more-than-...

  "Private insurers paid nearly double Medicare rates for all hospital services (199% of Medicare rates, on average), ranging from 141% to 259% of Medicare rates across the reviewed studies."

  "The difference between private and Medicare rates was greater for outpatient than inpatient hospital services, which averaged 264% and 189% of Medicare rates overall, respectively."

  "For physician services, private insurance paid 143% of Medicare rates, on average, ranging from 118% to 179% of Medicare rates across studies."

Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Post by throwawayboise »

cowpig wrote: post #428
LewisVerstappen wrote: post #207

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The healthcare system in the US clearly has nothing to do with free markets considering how unbelievably opaque and regulated everything is.

There's no such thing as a "free market" for healthcare. The ability for consumers to exit a market is one of the prerequisites for the invisible hand effect. You can't exit the healthcare market.

Sure you can. You can decide that you are not going to enrich an industry that basically does nothing for you in the long run. Everyone ends up dead, and I for one do not plan to spend my final years under constant care from a industry that is designed to drain every last dollar I have before I pass on.

Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Post by odysseus »

zdragnar wrote: post #95
mfer wrote: post #46

I've spent a fair amount of time talking with nurses about the problems. I'm related to a bunch of people who are nurses across disciplines (ER, ICU, med/surg, etc). It's been enlightening hearing them talk about the problems... 1. Many new nurses make the same or more and long time nurses. It's frustrating when the nurse in charge with the most experience is making less than new nurses. Some hospitals are even tryin…

Back in the days before cell phones, my mom would wind up being on call for overnight labor & delivery. The final straw (certainly not the first) was that they got a call in the middle of the night that a woman came in in labor, and she had to drive in to work (a half hour drive). This woke up my dad, who also happened to be a light sleeper and worked a day shift. 20 minutes later (while my mom was well on her way in…

I would think some hospitals have rooms dedicated for the on-call nurse(s) to sleep in. Especially with something as common and false alarm prone as overnight labor & delivery. Pretty sure the midwifery I went to had this.

Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Post by callmeal »

14 wrote: post #453
cogman10 wrote: post #416

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The one I think you are missing is that nurses are and have been overworked for a WHILE now. (that's what I get from /r/nursing) Hospitals have made sure they hire JUST ENOUGH nurses to cover shifts and no more. With covid hitting, this blew out the number of nurses needed resulting in a lot of "I know you've already worked 60 hours, but can you do another 20? we are short!". Rather than hiring permanent people or up…

From a Canadian stand point you American nurses are already highly paid. My brother works in the US and was recently thinking of coming back to work closer to where he grew up. The best deal he could get here was $20usd less then what he makes there. So on top of making $20 more then a nurse here he is also making it in USD. He is making huge amounts of cash as a nurse down there. How much more do nurses need?

>How much more do nurses need?

Something something freemarket no longer applies when it comes to paying peons?

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