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Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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For anyone reading this, I volunteer. My moderation level would be based on words that were considered bad in the year 2005. I won’t have to do much work and you still get to say that you have someone that’s doing the job. Win-win.

Ah, the culture war version of the famous Douglas Adams quote about technology: "1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works. 2. Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it. 3. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the…

What is funny to me is that for me 2 and 3 are swapped.

2 really was just me being unimpressed generally. For some reason I didn't think much of the ipad...

Now I'm old and everything is amazing.

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You're right. I use the new terms and move on. It's really not that bad. However it tends to become a password game. There's a new password every few months. If you know the new password, you get to feel above those who don't. It's as we invent new crimes to charge people with. If no one calls it out (because sure, whatever), it keeps ratcheting up. Then banal conversations turn into minefields. What you say gets inv…

It's also terrible for real long term projects to be continually renaming things and modifying naming conventions. Engineering isn't fashion.

Given we are talking about Google them randomly renaming things isn't exactly new :)

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Either way, people here aren't discriminated based on their race. Never were. This particular problem seems to be uniquely American because of their history. We do have a word for racism by the way. It's, unsurprisingly, "расизм".

Racism is a problem in large parts of Europe, and generally any country with a history involving enslaved Africans. I wouldn't be surprised if ethnic discrimination in Russia went a different direction though, since their colonization all happened in central Asia, where skin color isn't all that informative.

> I wouldn't be surprised if ethnic discrimination in Russia went a different direction though, since their colonization all happened in central Asia

Yes. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31126173

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why does a company have a say which words are allowed to be used? i mean there are some bad words you shouldn’t use, but i just can’t grasp why is there something like “motherboard” on that list?

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When do you feel cancel culture started?

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The most hilarious thing about this is that Google has used "AI" to create the most un-inclusive tool of all, Google Translate. I present you the beautiful translation of hungarian gender-less sentences to english: ő csinos. ő okos. ő csúnya. ő jó. becomes she is pretty. he is clever. she is ugly. he is good. I can't wait for inclusive warnings to come to non-english languages.

That's nothing

Ő jóképű

Becomes, wait for it

She is handsome

Just like in English, handsome is used to compliment a man, and pretty to compliment a woman.

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One of the reasons I left google is that their "content moderation team" (the folks who make you take down wrongthink memes) is so far out of touch, that somebody had to explain to them there are people in the world who are discriminated against, but aren't black. They simply didn't know that was the case! And if that's the people who are moderating content... I said motherboard all the time in meetings and chats, ne…

> somebody had to explain to them there are people in the world who are discriminated against, but aren't black. As a Russian, this is amusing to read. For me and most people I know, when you meet a black person, it's totally normal to ask them "where are you from" because they can't possibly be local. Our society just doesn't have the concept of racism it seems because of the exceeding rarity of people who aren't Eu…

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In the article they use the example of "Motherboard" and "Landlord" and seem to suggest that these are areas where the Google AI is making mistakes or being overly strict. As a Google employee expressing my own opinion and observations of company culture, I can say that these are 100% not mistakes. Many Google employees are just so out of touch with the real world that they believe it is the duty of Google Docs to ch…

This is why I’m pessimistic about the West winning the second cold war. While Chinese engineers are working hard on world dominating AI models and other hard tech, Western engineers are wasting man hours on crap like this.

Interesting comment. Putin is continually making "west is degenerate"-ish remarks as a kind of justification for his invasion of Ukraine, and yet his words fall flat. It's obvious he's being disengenius.

It's like, yes, we know some over paid highly educated technologists are biased against but that doesn't equal the end of liberalism and democracy itself. His words are not at all going to sway any of the HN readers who may agree with him on cultural issues about the west, that Russia are the good guys!

Perhaps his words are meant to developing nations who are uniformly culturally conservative?

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Well they're not trying to raise up men, they're trying to destroy any notion of gender, see "gender is a social construct".

It's contradictory, there was already a movement (feminism) that promoted "gender is a social construct" which was to say, no one should be pressured into acting inline with gender stereotypes. Women can be masculine, men can be feminine, let bygones be bygones - the way you act and dress should ideally have no relationship to your sex.

The "men with gender identity issues" referred to by parent have this up-side-down, instead thinking that "social transitioning" aka "living as a woman" is a step towards being a woman, this is not destroying notions of gender, this is elevating gender over sex

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Since when is black and white primarily a racial thing anyways? It seems a little inverted, like a black flag or a black mark on an account, it’s not like it’s called “negrolist”, black and white are colors before they are slang for race/culture. Maybe instead of neutering the dictionary we could try a different angle and quit lumping people into “white” or “black”? Some people are Kenyan, Irish, Nigerian, German, no…

If you view these things from a POV of empathy for others and how to minimize their stress and sense of being disfavored vs trying to win some technical argument it will make more sense.

Focus on how real actions impact the people around you.

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One of the reasons I left google is that their "content moderation team" (the folks who make you take down wrongthink memes) is so far out of touch, that somebody had to explain to them there are people in the world who are discriminated against, but aren't black. They simply didn't know that was the case! And if that's the people who are moderating content... I said motherboard all the time in meetings and chats, ne…

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