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Post by sdsaga12 »

makomk wrote: post #24

Headline on the front page of BBC News right now: "Trudeau vows to freeze anti-mandate protesters' bank accounts" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60383385 This feels downright dystopian, especially if the move away from cash and towards centrally-controlled electronic payment systems is anywhere near as widespread in Canada as elsewhere.

Here is a YouTube channel that has been doing extended livestreams from the ground with both protestors and counter-protestors: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzGiDDKdphJ0GFvEd82WfYQ/vid...

As I wrote elsewhere in this thread [1], I recommend taking a look at this channel or other extended livestreams to get a view from the ground if your impression of this event has been mostly shaped by articles. That recommendation goes for all major protests, especially if you think you disagree with the people protesting.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30340938

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makomk wrote: post #24

Headline on the front page of BBC News right now: "Trudeau vows to freeze anti-mandate protesters' bank accounts" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60383385 This feels downright dystopian, especially if the move away from cash and towards centrally-controlled electronic payment systems is anywhere near as widespread in Canada as elsewhere.

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Post by ed25519FUUU »

harryf wrote: post #433
jsjsbdkj wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no "loss of mandate". The Canadian people are overwhelmingly vaccinated and don't mind wearing masks. 90+% of truckers are fully vaccinated. Canadians re-elected Trudeau during the pandemic. The issue is that Ottawa Police were afraid of media backlash if they did any crowd control for the initial "protest" weekend. This allowed the occupiers to move in heavy machinery as barricades. When the weekend ended an…

> It has terrorized women, queer people and people of color on the streets. Seriously? This smells like an attempt to paint the truckers as extreme right. Any quality sources for that claim?

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Post by jml7c5 »

srcreigh wrote: post #307
pkd wrote: post #143

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There is no loss of mandate, if the opinion polls are anything to go by. Besides, the Canadian people chose the government in the middle of the pandemic last year. Is there a more comprehensive definition of a "mandate" than a federal election? Whether the response is authoritarian depends on how it is enforced. The police have basically failed to enforce any law on the occupiers on parliament hill (I live here). If…

For what it's worth, Trudeau lost the popular vote last year.

That's not atypical in a system with more than two viable parties.

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Post by partiallypro »

MattGaiser wrote: post #67
nirav72 wrote: post #33

This is definately going to back fire on him and his administration. There weren't any major incidence of violence or rioting. They got the bridge cleared. He should've left it at that and let it fizzle out.

> Two-thirds of Canadians support military force to end Ottawa protests: poll https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/02/12/two-thirds-of-canadia... The current approach seems to be a lot more mild than what the public would accept.

People support military force until they see the consequences of it, then it turns on its head. If 90% of the truckers are vaccinated, then what is the point of the mandate at this point anyhow? It's a lose/lose for the administration. It's also weird to see how so many people freaked out about Tom Cotton's Op-Ed about getting the military to restore order to cities that were being ransacked every day (to such a degree that the NYT's apologized)...and now suddenly those same people supporting military action to restore order.

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Post by rasz »

pkd wrote: post #357
ipaddr wrote: post #80

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The people who have their lives taken away have little left to live for. The increases the violence and grows a movement you want to stop. If Trudeau opened debate weeks ago I wonder where we would be today.

You wish that Trudeau opened debate with people who demanded that his government be deposed and replaced by the protest organisers?

Thats precisely how communism fell in Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Round_Table_Agreement

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Post by tlear »

vorpalhex wrote: post #8

> The Emergencies Act is the modern-day replacement to the War Measures Act. It allows the federal government to force companies to provide services, it can require public protests to end, and limit mobility rights by preventing people from moving to designating areas. > > The act also allows for the military to be used as police, but several sources said that is not under active consideration. Not a good look for Tr…

It really reminds me of the situation in the USSR in the 1991. Trudeau will call in the army, what the army will do is not what he expects I suspect. He is digging his own grave. Hopefully it will not come down to Ceaușescu resolution

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Post by dibujante »

defaultname wrote: post #425
tdfx wrote: post #360

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> But if you try to force your political will through force [...] you have crossed a line and need to be reigned in Like forcing people out of their job for refusing a vaccine? Disclaimer: I'm vaccinated and I encourage everyone to do it. But no one should have to under threat to their livelihood, especially given the absurd logical inconsistencies of the mandate rules.

> Like forcing people out of their job for refusing a vaccine? Before vaccination was politicized in the US ( bizarrely , I must say, through mechanisms that I find absolutely baffling), many jobs had mandatory vaccinations. Most healthcare setting have mandatory yearly flu vaccinations, for instance. The military has a whole plethora of mandatory vaccinations, including some pretty crazy ones. And of course schools,…

It's a big issue because Putin wants it to be a big issue.

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Post by JetAlone »

makomk wrote: post #24

Headline on the front page of BBC News right now: "Trudeau vows to freeze anti-mandate protesters' bank accounts" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60383385 This feels downright dystopian, especially if the move away from cash and towards centrally-controlled electronic payment systems is anywhere near as widespread in Canada as elsewhere.

I am motivated to slowly pull almost all the money out of my Canadian bank accounts, and put it somewhere else, that's for sure.

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Post by mmastrac »

defaultname wrote: post #425
tdfx wrote: post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But if you try to force your political will through force [...] you have crossed a line and need to be reigned in Like forcing people out of their job for refusing a vaccine? Disclaimer: I'm vaccinated and I encourage everyone to do it. But no one should have to under threat to their livelihood, especially given the absurd logical inconsistencies of the mandate rules.

> Like forcing people out of their job for refusing a vaccine? Before vaccination was politicized in the US ( bizarrely , I must say, through mechanisms that I find absolutely baffling), many jobs had mandatory vaccinations. Most healthcare setting have mandatory yearly flu vaccinations, for instance. The military has a whole plethora of mandatory vaccinations, including some pretty crazy ones. And of course schools,…

> Before vaccination was politicized in the US

I remember seeing the roots of this in the early 2000s after the discredited Wakefield study. It was so bizarre.

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