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At what cost?

In civilised lands the loser has to reimburse the winner's legal costs, so at no cost. If you don't live in civilised lands, well you have other problems.

Does your civilized legal system also force the inevitable loser to front your legal fees while the case is ongoing? Or is it possible the plaintiff with deeper pockets can just stretch things out until the legal system has bled you dry and you must withdraw?

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I worked for a large e-commerce company. I wanted to investigate putting all our support data into Watson and see what sort of recommendations it could provide, maybe a sort of auto-suggestion to help our customers. Three really funny points stand out from the experience: 1) To apply for Watson access you needed to show C-level approval, so our CEO put his name and phone number on the application (trying Watson was s…

> an IBM marketing team called HIS CELL and asked for ME. What the fuck is this? A name/email for your company when trying something out is so that you can keep track of any support requests we need, not for you to sell shit to me.

Yeah, the whole culture there (and other places like Oracle) is all about implanting mindshare at the decision-maker level and driving unilateral adoption from the top down. Pursuing such an approach is highly revealing because if the technology actually worked, that approach would not be necessary.

Once they’re “in” at the decision-maker level, they can continue to milk the organisation with long-duration support and consulting contracts, feeding parasitically and gradually becoming more and more entangled.

One spectacular example, 7M budget but in actuality, 1.2B down the drain and nothing to show for it https://blog.beyondsoftware.com/the-queensland-health-payrol...

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As someone doing a CS degree now, I seem to be the only one who doesn't want to have anything on my resume to do with "AI", blockchain, ML, NFT, chatbots, etc... all I see is overhyped product after product, one-size-fits all solutions that frustrate customers and create problems for humans to clean up, hugely valued companies that have very little real improvement over conventional technology, etc. An "AI chatbot" i…

If you want to do something less buzzwordy with lots of real-life applications, look into distributed systems. Try running an Apache big data project yourself and write some programs/queries for it, try making a change to the project to do something cool. My suggestion to check out an Apache big data project is just that it gives you a good place to learn, not so you can be a "hadoop specialist" or anything like that…

Absolutely. I often joke that my work as a data scientist is mostly creating bar graphs for people. The actual analysis is often reasonably simple, its the aggregating of the data that is hard (its messy, its not all in the one spot and there is lots of it).

So start with querying your big data to say what the top three event types are. Then slowly crank up the analysis complexity, but not too much. The data engineering has lots of scope for real solid and obvious applications.

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I worked for a large e-commerce company. I wanted to investigate putting all our support data into Watson and see what sort of recommendations it could provide, maybe a sort of auto-suggestion to help our customers. Three really funny points stand out from the experience: 1) To apply for Watson access you needed to show C-level approval, so our CEO put his name and phone number on the application (trying Watson was s…

The company I worked for used some Oracle tech and I was trying to get some high level information about a product but their website kept requesting my e-mail just to show me some documentation. Once I provided them with my e-mail, I started receiving "You must take us to your leader" messages in a tone as if I was their employee and they were commanding me to take them to my CEO. I can't imagine myself chasing the C…

A little psychological manipulation and marketing gimmicks (including overdressed people and marketing directed to CXOs) goes a long way.

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Self driving cars are just that, marketing. Tesla for all their hype have limited driver assist only and even Google who seem to have the most advanced offering only works in limited areas in good conditions and the dataset that drives it requires lots of maintenance. The general problem is too hard, and general practice has some of the same problems. Probably less adversarial data, but there’s still litigation to be…

Limited driver assist? Are all the videos of people using Tesla full self-driving on YouTube fake?

Tesla advertises their technology as being on the cusp of Level 4/5 applications but legally (when defending its actions to the California DMV) argue that it is and will continue to be a Level 2 (i.e. limited driver assist) into the future and that FSD beta should not fall under regulations concerning testing of L4/L5 autonomous vehicles.

Perhaps most importantly, all legal responsibility falls on the driver, regardless of the fact that the car can cause accidents faster than a human can realistically react even if paying perfect attention.

https://www.jurist.org/commentary/2021/09/william-widen-phil...

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> bedside manner + being able to remember a lot of things My impression is that accompanying a patient is super important, it helps to understand illness, to have a plan in case of more complex treatments, etc. Then my doctor has the ability to know me and gauge my health. She's also very good at probabilities and detecting when something really goes wrong. I'm sure that being able to do that require a lot more than…

What many people don't realize is that medicine as a whole is already some sort of expert system (i.e.: a flavor of AI). There are researchers that conduct experiments to produce meaningful data and extract conclusions from that data. Then there are expert panels that produce guidelines from the results of that research. Most diagnostics and treatments are prescribed following decision diagrams that doctors themselve…

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IBM is famous for charging people for the privilege of talking to them, even if you're trying to sell them something. This strategy makes sense if you consider that even in it's heyday Watson was 95% data science consulting firm and 5% actual valuable technology. I really think Watson is one of the biggest tech marketing bamboozles of the 21st century. Through Jeopardy they really had a segment of the business world…

Kindah like Palantir

Ehh...I get why tech people are suspect of Palantir but they're just disrupting other government contractors.

And from my limited experience working with the government, they absolutely need / want / rely on having companies hold their hand as they insist on doing things the hard, slow, and very custom way.

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It will be interesting to see if self driving cars and the way they've been rushed to market with the same brute force marketing will meet a similar fate.

I expect roads to adapt to make self driving car's easier to run over time. Both in terms of handling people, other cars, signage, and obstructions.

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IBM is famous for charging people for the privilege of talking to them, even if you're trying to sell them something. This strategy makes sense if you consider that even in it's heyday Watson was 95% data science consulting firm and 5% actual valuable technology. I really think Watson is one of the biggest tech marketing bamboozles of the 21st century. Through Jeopardy they really had a segment of the business world…

Deep Blue preceded this. They had specialty equipment for crunching chess moves. Really excellent hype machine. I liked the documentary about it: https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0379296/

I don't see the problem here, that was literally the point. To build a chess computer.

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I really expected that we'd see a change in my lifetime, that GPs in particular would be replaced by a lower-cost Watson descendant, with there being some other role for patient interaction, wet work, and data entry (perhaps just nurses). My mom worked for a GP for about 20 years, and it seemed to me that most of what made that guy a doctor was bedside manner + being able to remember a lot of things. But GPs often ma…

The hard part is knowing what things you need to remember
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