50 years? Weren’t the baby boomers still in college 50 years ago? Is this just natural from fewer babies being born in the early 2000s?
More than 1M fewer students are in college, the lowest numbers in 50 years
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#452Earlier quoted context omitted.
Covid is a one time risk. Overtime the average risk of death goes to zero. People's brains were already broken. People are bad at statistical risk. People are afraid of flying despite driving be much more dangerous. https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/usa-cause-of-death-by-ag... https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pdf/leading_causes_of_dea... Under the age of 24, vehicle fatalities, suicide, and homicide lead in >3k d…
Yeah, fentanyl is terrible! So are cars, and I spend most of my non-family, non-work time advocating for city planning that will let people who chose so to avoid cars. That does not lessen the impact of 3000 deaths among people who did not take on that risk.
What kind of plans do you advocate for?
Are any of them on the order of magnitude of measures we've taken against covid?
Re: More than 1M fewer students are in college, the lowest numbers in 50 years
#453Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because the AMT course is typically 24 months long by itself (for a combined airframe and powerplant certificate)? It’s 30 months of relevant, supervised maintenance work experience or a qualified AMT school program, which are often 24 months full-time. That’s far more time than a typical creative writing minor.
You've not really addressed the spirit of the question, they're not asking about aircraft maintenance really, they're asking why academic courses and more hands-on practical/technical courses can't be mixed? I guess in the UK you'd try for an apprenticeship with day release to college for the academic elements (or take a job in a technical field and do an Open University or other distance learning course for the acad…
they're asking why academic courses and more hands-on practical/technical courses can't be mixed?
I think they did answer this: it's because hands-on practical/technical skills are hard to learn and people who can teach them are generally expensive.
Re: More than 1M fewer students are in college, the lowest numbers in 50 years
#454I believe strongly in education but most colleges are just money grabs. They charge ridiculously high rates that most people will take decades to pay off if ever. It's quite disgusting how we trick 17-19 year olds into taking on huge amounts of debt before they really have any idea what they are getting themselves into.
On top of that, for certain professions, what is taught in colleges is an absolute joke. Computer science at my college had zero connection to what happens in the real world and I'm being completely honest when I tell you I can't think of a single thing I learned in college that I use in the real world. Even some of the more advanced types/concepts would be better taught in a ~1hr tutorial or video than how it was taught in my college.
I'm all for giving people a broad education (I think I liked my non-technical/math/science classes more than the ones pertaining to the major I was working towards) and I think college should do a better job preparing people for the "real world" (budgeting, meal planning, conflict resolution, etc - So should high schools).
I dropped out my junior year after being frustrated at feeling like I was wasting my time in classes that didn't prepare me. It was one the best decision I've ever made. I still got saddled with 3 years of debt but better than 4 and having no advantage at the end of it. I've never had an issue finding a job over the past decade+ and I'm making very good money (more than people I know who did graduate).
We need massive college reform in this country.
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#455Earlier quoted context omitted.
The loans are exactly why the colleges were able to continue jacking up the prices. As with homes, people will pay as much as institutions are willing to loan them. In both cases the currently low interest rates allow the loan principal to be much higher (given that folks calculate cost based on recurring payments). If you remove the student loan system then tuition would become cheaper. However that does unfairly im…
It's not just loans, it's COVID. If I were college-age and I were planning on going to college I would certainly do one of two things. I would postpone college until the COVID issues died down -or- I would use the fewer applicants to get into a more prestigious school banking on a better 3 year experience (out of 4) starting in the fall of 2022 and more impressive degree going forward. Either way, I can imagine admit…
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#456Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's not what the word predatory generally means in the context of loans.
The predation is from voters today to taxpayers tomorrow. Politician A says they want to help students by paying for their education, or at least some of it. This requires cash flow, which results in more taxes, or at the least, entries into the government’s debt figures. Either way it shows up on the balance sheet and can affect tax liabilities today. Politician B says they want to help students, but they will inste…
Again "predatory lending" is a standard term, that has a commonly accepted meaning. What you're describing doesn't fit.
Re: More than 1M fewer students are in college, the lowest numbers in 50 years
#457There are three problems that colleges need to fix. 1) Skilled trades pay better than most bachelor's degree track jobs. My kids can make more money with a six month apprenticeship than they will with all but a few 4 year degrees. If you can drive a forklift, you can make $45K/yr... which is identical to what an firsty year teacher makes. 2) There are better options than college for many. One of my daughters did a si…
> kids that had a job, any job before age 18 make 35% more than their peers over their lifetime Just as with claims about college, there is a huge selection bias in this observation. (A substantially higher proportion of youngish Americans obtain a bachelors degree than have a job before age 18.) Edit: Let’s be clear: there is obviously a huge selection bias when talking about college as well, which should not be ign…
> A substantially higher proportion of Americans obtain a bachelors degree than have a job before age 18.
Is this true? I got a job as soon as I was legally allowed to and so did every one of my friends in high school. Where I'm from you were seen as kind of a loser if you didn't work over the summer, at least. I'd guess it was something like 90% of kids at my school worked at some point in high school.
Edit: Here's a chart [0]. These numbers are much smaller than I expected (although keep in mind this is a snapshot, not the percentage who at any point in high school will have had a job), but what's really surprising is that the number of high school kids working has collapsed since I was in high school.
[0] https://www.statista.com/statistics/477668/percentage-of-you...
Re: More than 1M fewer students are in college, the lowest numbers in 50 years
#458Earlier quoted context omitted.
A degree is just a filter. If you get 200 applications for a job listing, you are going to prioritize those with relevant degrees.
A huge number of jobs have no relevant degree. What's the degree for being a management consultant? Or a pharma sales person? The number of jobs that are just "general business role" is enormous.
A college degree is a filter that someone is reasonably diligent, socialized to some level, and compliant enough to play the game. Most employers don’t want some self-taught “I learned the same stuff for $1.50 in late charges at the library” type. If only 1/3 of people attend college, and 1/3 have a high GPA, employers get a filter for the top 11% of compliance & diligence without much effort.
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#459This is nearly a strictly American problem. Much of the rest of the world has realized that society requires and is capable of supporting advanced education for all -- after all we want humanity to be advancing , right? America is still stuck in this alternate universe where it's a great privilege to have the opportunity to learn, which is of course true to some extent, but they really put it on a pedestal there. Com…
This is nearly a strictly American problem. Much of the rest of the world has realized that society requires and is capable of supporting advanced education for all -- after all we want humanity to be advancing, right? I think foreign colleges have stricter entry requirements and fewer amenities compared to American colleges. So yes, college may be free in Japan, but also much harder to be accepted.
In Germany, the overall entry requirement is a not horrible high school degree (type of high school intended to prepare for an academic career) for engineering. You can just go and sign up to the university of your choice. The flip side is that you then sit there with hundreds of other students that will be weeded out by a harsh curriculum and zero advisement. That said, whoever gets through that system will be worth their price later on when you hire them.
Re: More than 1M fewer students are in college, the lowest numbers in 50 years
#460Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because the AMT course is typically 24 months long by itself (for a combined airframe and powerplant certificate)? It’s 30 months of relevant, supervised maintenance work experience or a qualified AMT school program, which are often 24 months full-time. That’s far more time than a typical creative writing minor.
You've not really addressed the spirit of the question, they're not asking about aircraft maintenance really, they're asking why academic courses and more hands-on practical/technical courses can't be mixed? I guess in the UK you'd try for an apprenticeship with day release to college for the academic elements (or take a job in a technical field and do an Open University or other distance learning course for the acad…
I tried to and answered the way I did because I think a lot of people vastly underestimate the time and effort required to get certified for a trade. “Why can’t I just add an MD to my engineering degree?” seems like a ridiculous question, but “Why can’t I add a plumber’s or electrician’s or AMT license/certificate to my degree?” is treated as “well, that’s a good question; you ought to be able to!”
(They specifically asked about a certification not just “some coursework”.)