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Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by SllX »

wolverine876 wrote: post #439
SllX wrote: post #408

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So what you want is a command economy? Nah, I’ll pass. Markets are made up of people, they’re not just some abstraction. Governments have good uses, but determining who is participating in what market and how much market share they have or are allowed to have isn’t one of them.

How do governments prevent monopolies? That's been generally done and supported for over a century.

Well not granting monopolies is a start, but governments grant monopolies all the time in the form of patents, copyright and trademarks.

Proving a monopoly exists or are forming could be another way to do so, but so far they have recently made lackluster arguments in Courts of Law on that front.

If you then prove a monopoly, can you also then prove that it’s activities are harmful to the people in the marketplace by denying them choices they would otherwise have? Maybe, but probably not very often and certainly not easily.

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Post by Mezzie »

kuschku wrote: post #424
Mezzie wrote: post #232

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If you're gay, this is true. Especially if you don't live in a large city. I've just given up on finding a wife/partner. My options are just... bad.

From my experience (being a lesbian myself), I found my fiancé on a discord server, and most of our friends also found their partners either through LGBT bars, LGBT online communities, or through art communities, tumblr, deviantart, etc ^^

Yeah, there are some unique wrinkles for me. I do like Discord a lot, actually. (I used to spend a lot of time on IRC so...) Most of the things I like, the Discords tend to skew pretty young for my dating comfort, since one issue I have is women who want therapists/mothers instead of a partner.

The other is that I work in politics plus have a politically-diverse family and so I would need a partner who is comfortable being around and loving people who disagree with them politically. Many LGBT people in queer nerd spaces like Tumblr, fandom spaces, art spaces, etc. prefer to live in a political filter bubble (I'm not judging if it's for mental health reasons; I think people have the right to associate with whomever they want), and that's not compatible with my life direction or values.

Being a statistical minority within a statistical minority is exhausting sometimes. I'm super happy you and your fiancee found each other, though! I hope you have a wonderful wedding and many happy years together.

And no LGBT bars in my area. I am NOT a big city person. I gave it the good old college try. I tried multiple countries and coasts, even, but nope. I'm a small city person. I like my hometown. It's dope and the cost of living is low.

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Post by wpietri »

cwkoss wrote: post #321
smsm42 wrote: post #284

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What you don't seem to realize here is that various app stores, etc almost never sell you any content. They sell you a temporary revokable right to access content. It's like a movie theater ticket, with an added bonus of ushers being paranoid assholes that could kick you out any moment without a reason. You don't own the movie, you can just watch it, if you're lucky. If you think that service isn't worth the price -…

That's bullshit, but it's what the IP marketplaces want you to believe.

What part do you see as bullshit? Theater tickets and premium video channels like HBO are long-standing examples of the model. There are some services that act more like purchases, with Amazon video being a big example. But it seems to me that the vast majority of video and music content today is being sold on the access model, not the purchase model.

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Post by nearmuse »

This sounds very behooving of a dating app: it preemptively gives 0 chances to the "iffy guy" and rejects them so the dating person doesn't have to. I am still not sure to what extent the problem is with this social norm vs. with how it is being "reflected" by Tinder.

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Post by samhw »

selfhoster11 wrote: post #418
samhw wrote: post #359

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Soon to become a very popular reason ;)

Not unless you provide evidence that you are in fact a real person.

It won't be popular [/be used against you] unless you provide evidence you're a real person? I think that's a slightly Freudian slip right there.

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Post by 3np »

tsimionescu wrote: post #143
3np wrote: post #60

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That would be my guess as well. People who frequently travel/change residences or have bases in more than one place seem to get banned or blocked by all kinds of services. Regardless of the intentions of the people designing these systems, I’d argue this is textbook systemic discrimination; you face issues only due to being different enough in the “wrong” way.

I very much doubt a dating service would have this problem, as many people use dating services while traveling even if they wouldn't at home (either because of cheating or just knowing the scene better at home).

Just speaking from experience and anecdotes from others. I’m not arguing it makes business-sense. As the OP is arguing, the false positives are probably a small enough percentage of users that companies haven’t found it worthwhile to prioritize. And even if it is, it can be hard to tell from readily available data who’s a false positive in the first place when you don’t have a proper customer support organization.

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Post by samhw »

errcorrectcode wrote: post #400
siliconc0w wrote: post #323

IMO, if your market share is bigger than ${some number}, you shouldn't be able to deny service without a documented reason, it should have some sort of time-to-live (i.e 1 year), and there should be an appeals process. In a functioning marketplace, companies would be naturally incentivized to care about customers but that stops working in uncompetitive industries (which currently describes most of the economy).

Inverted totalitarianism symptoms may include shutting an individual out of a large portion of their life for no real reason, for a misunderstanding, or for daring to challenge corporate power. Often this occurs with minimal or no human intervention, and lack of due process becomes normalized. Welcome to Dystopian Hell, population: everyone not digitally cancelled.

Other symptoms include: a remarkable tendency of people to say "oh, that's OK, they're just coming for the conservatives".

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Post by fidesomnes »

mazugrin2 wrote: post #52

Maybe don't refer to women as "girls"? Unless you are seeking romance with girls. Either way, I'm suspicious already and can see why a service intended to match adults with other adults (i.e., not girls) would be creeped out by you.

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Post by DaveExeter »

juancn wrote: post #279
29083011397778 wrote: post #194

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Considering Tinder rather explicitly checks your location to find people around you? I'd assume it wouldn't work, and might even lead to getting banned faster.

Root the phone and fake the location.

Is that technically possible?
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