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Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by jjav »

yawnxyz wrote: post #197
qeternity wrote: post #137

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> I'm curious — what does Hacker News run on? It seems impervious to any kind of downtime... On a dirty, disgusting dedicated server.

> On a dirty, disgusting dedicated server. I'm adding "reliable" into that mix. Too bad they're too expensive and hard to setup for side projects, but HN is probably one of the most stable site I frequently visit, and I don't even think about it.

> I'm adding "reliable" into that mix. Too bad they're too expensive and hard to setup for side projects

I mean they're not particularly. Unless the use is extremely minimal, it'll always be cheaper to buy a small server even for a side project.

I use cloud VMs for projects that can live on $5/mo VMs because at that usage rate I'll never break even to buy a machine.

But as soon as your AWS bill is even like $50/mo, worth to start looking at alternatives.

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by dilyevsky »

electroly wrote: post #321
dilyevsky wrote: post #315

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Curios if you tell your customers you’re totally ok with having lower than 99.9 availability

We don't have any external customers; they are all internal. We're all on the same side of the table.

Sounds like even worse deal for the customer since there is no refund

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by jedberg »

jjav wrote: post #445
andy_ppp wrote: post #360

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* Free chaos monkey installed in every AZ

> * Free chaos monkey installed in every AZ Only during this beta period, AWS will start charging for this feature soon enough.

We (Netflix) begged them for years to create a Chaos Monkey that we could pay for. There were things we just couldn't do ourselves, like simulate a power pull or just drop all network packets on the bare metal. I guess not enough people asked.

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by jedberg »

s_dev wrote: post #380
moralestapia wrote: post #376

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I think GP has a point with, >Or will smaller players go from single-AZ to more expensive multi-AZ?

No -- if they needed to they already would have migrated to a multi-region. If they don't need it -- they won't have. The reason is simple -- it's expensive as you say. I'm not a fanboi or evangelist of AWS either -- I do have pet theories they named their products with shit names in order to make more money by making AWS skills less transferable to Google Cloud etc. S3 should be Amazon FTP, RDS should be Amazon SQL…

Not at all the case. It was a regional outage that got Netflix to more than double our AWS spend going multi-region, so that outage netted them millions of extra dollars per year just from Netflix.

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by dilyevsky »

s_dev wrote: post #380
moralestapia wrote: post #376

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I think GP has a point with, >Or will smaller players go from single-AZ to more expensive multi-AZ?

No -- if they needed to they already would have migrated to a multi-region. If they don't need it -- they won't have. The reason is simple -- it's expensive as you say. I'm not a fanboi or evangelist of AWS either -- I do have pet theories they named their products with shit names in order to make more money by making AWS skills less transferable to Google Cloud etc. S3 should be Amazon FTP, RDS should be Amazon SQL…

You’re underestimating the ability of eng leadership to not take these issues seriously. Only when there’s sufficient pressure from the very top or even the customers it takes a priority.

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by Hamuko »

chasd00 wrote: post #237
tyingq wrote: post #85

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They did add an update, faster than last time: "7:42 AM PST We are investigating Internet connectivity issues to the US-WEST-2 Region." https://status.aws.amazon.com/ Edit: They added US-WEST-1: "7:52 AM PST We are investigating Internet connectivity issues to the US-WEST-1 Region." Edit: Found root case, maybe? "8:01 AM PST We have identified the root cause of the Internet connectivity to the US-WEST-1 Region and ha…

someone tripped over the fiber run i bet. Or, a cleaning person unplugged a router to plugin a vacuum (that actually happened but to a minicomputer iirc)

Usually the problem is "an idiot with a digger".

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by erhk »

chasd00 wrote: post #237
tyingq wrote: post #85

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They did add an update, faster than last time: "7:42 AM PST We are investigating Internet connectivity issues to the US-WEST-2 Region." https://status.aws.amazon.com/ Edit: They added US-WEST-1: "7:52 AM PST We are investigating Internet connectivity issues to the US-WEST-1 Region." Edit: Found root case, maybe? "8:01 AM PST We have identified the root cause of the Internet connectivity to the US-WEST-1 Region and ha…

someone tripped over the fiber run i bet. Or, a cleaning person unplugged a router to plugin a vacuum (that actually happened but to a minicomputer iirc)

I hope that their infra is not that unstable

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by erhk »

Isthatablackgsd wrote: post #264
ceejayoz wrote: post #184

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They were much faster than usual about updating the AWS Status page.

I thought Status Pages or Health Pages is designed to automate the reporting and checking the status automatically. This was my impression when I came across those status pages. Apparently, it is not automated and only update it manually. What is the point of having a status pages if it cannot be automated? I'm sure FAANG and tech conglomerates don't want it to be automated because of SLA. I'm surprised with FAANG ho…

Any public communication is handled by people not machines. No one wants to make an automated status page because theres a shit ton of real noise that users dont need to hear about, nd theres a lot of outages that automation won't accurately catch
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