YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count • Hacker News Board

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by bitcharmer » Sat, Dec 04, 2021, 9:05 AM UTC

jazzyjackson wrote: post #368

gy4ey665t wrote: post #263

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Hacker News is the most heavily moderated, manipulated and astro-turned forum I've even seen, but you don't realize that until the mods start suppressing your posts and comments. Titles are constantly edited for no apparent reason, users who post unpopular facts are permanently penalized, and you can watch as negative stories about large tech companies are quickly flagged off the front page. There's zero transparency…

HN is popular because of its moderation, not in spite of it.

I personally have a problem with the front page being heavily curated by dang instead of relying on user preferences (as it should be). At some point it's not moderation any more. it's censorship.

Of course when you point it out it's just a "moderation mistake"

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by 1_player » Sat, Dec 04, 2021, 9:18 AM UTC

BitwiseFool wrote: post #41

1_player wrote: post #18

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Youtube doesn't f*** care. Where are you going to go watch your favorite content creators? Oh, they only upload on our platform? Thought so. They can do whatever they want and they won't lose a single user. In fact, I wanted to cancel my Youtube Premium, but I know it's not gonna affect their decision in the slightest, while I will hurt my favourite content creators as they won't get that thousandth of a cent they ge…

>"I will hurt my favourite content creators as they won't get that thousandth of a cent they get from my Premium view." That's why I choose to reward them through non YouTube platforms like Patreon. I've also noticed a huge trend in content creators making sponsorship deals that they embed in their own videos. I sense that canceling your YouTube premium won't hurt them as much as it used to in the past. Plus, you can…

I use Patreon for 10 different creators, but I watch at least 50 different ones on YouTube in a given month I might want to support. Some perhaps only for that month. And I don't want to spend $500/mo in Patreon either.

Monthly donations are cool but limited as they only distribute the money among few people because they're expensive and a commitment.

My dream, if I had the patience to build it, would be a platform that distributes some amount of budget among every content creator you have watched. Out of my $100, everybody gets $2. A bit like Brave Rewards, without the crypto stuff.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by angulardragon03 » Sat, Dec 04, 2021, 9:20 AM UTC

t-writescode wrote: post #286

BitwiseFool wrote: post #80

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Honestly I think the best solution should have been to let creators enable/disable dislike visibility on each of their *own* videos. Removing that for every single video on the platform is a supernova level of overkill.

They already have that. You can disable comments and voting, as far as I know.

I would guess that doing so absolutely destroys your video discoverability, knowing YouTube.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by 1_player » Sat, Dec 04, 2021, 9:27 AM UTC

JonathanMerklin wrote: post #177

1_player wrote: post #77

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TikTok is targeting a different type of content, there is no competition with YouTube as we know it, which is videos longer than 10 minutes.

Which is frankly still a wild concept to me because when I was of prime YouTube-binging age, the maximum length of a video was 10 minutes.

What's the Youtube-binging age? Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're probably implying you've "grown out" of your YouTube phase.

As I grow older, I watch longer and more informational videos than I did 10 years ago.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by depressedpanda » Sat, Dec 04, 2021, 9:27 AM UTC

gremloni wrote: post #447

vl wrote: post #360

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Youtube Shorts (TicToc competitor) is pure evil. If I accidentally click on it I can find myself two hours later after watching hundred videos I can't even remember anymore. Sure it's high engagement, but it's truly bad for user satisfaction and long-term user retention. On top of that they blatantly and prominently push their political agenda in "news" section. But I don't think there is deep evil thinking behind di…

> blatantly and prominently push their political agenda Only if you consider egalitarianism and diversity as political issues. To most of society they are universal values so it’s not contentious.

Has it ever occurred to you that a person might be for egalitarian values and diversity without approving of the particular flavor of it being pushed by some factions?

It's not black and white.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by bluecatswim » Sat, Dec 04, 2021, 9:29 AM UTC

causi wrote: post #397

vl wrote: post #360

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Youtube Shorts (TicToc competitor) is pure evil. If I accidentally click on it I can find myself two hours later after watching hundred videos I can't even remember anymore. Sure it's high engagement, but it's truly bad for user satisfaction and long-term user retention. On top of that they blatantly and prominently push their political agenda in "news" section. But I don't think there is deep evil thinking behind di…

I find the UX for Youtube Shorts to be so horrible I don't watch more than one video a session. It doesn't support landscape, and if you make the mistake of watching it to the end it starts over but with a darkened screen, forcing you to hit Back twice to get out of it. Who the hell watches a one minute video and then goes "gee, I really want to hear just the audio from that over again right now"?

Youtube Shorts is just a frontend, you can watch those videos with the same UI as regular youtube by changing the url from youtube.com/shorts/xyz to youtube.com/watch?v=xyz.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by bluecatswim » Sat, Dec 04, 2021, 9:41 AM UTC

ehsankia wrote: post #418

Arnavion wrote: post #416

The "criticize their hiding of the dislike count" part is irrelevant. I've done no such thing and all my comments have been getting auto-deleted in the same way for a few months now, long before this dislike count thing happened. It's something fucked up on their end, lots of users are affected (also since long before this dislike count thing happened), and they're in no hurry to fix it. And there's no point posting…

Yep, this person is creating a correlation where there is none, and everyone is just riding the confirmation bias. It's strange how HN collectively throw their skeptical side out of the window and accept a single anecdotal evidence as proof whenever it's a topic like this. This is just a shadowban / temporary suspension from commenting, and there is no evidence it's in any way related to "criticizing dislike removal"…

>there is no evidence it's in any way related to "criticizing dislike removal"

That was the last thing he commented which strongly suggests it is. The other few comments he showed were innocent ones praising animations and stuff too.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by SquareWheel » Sat, Dec 04, 2021, 9:47 AM UTC

Did nobody watch the linked video? It's obvious he had comments restricted because his comment was deemed as abusive, and not because it was critical of "hiding dislikes".

"That's not abusive at all", you may be thinking. But calling others names, even something as nonsensical as calling them a "handjob", can still easily fall under their terms of use.

If you refer to the original video[1], people are nothing but critical of the change. Why aren't those being disappeared? Maybe because Youtube doesn't care what people post as long as they follow their terms of service.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxOuG8jMIgI

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by reactoe » Sat, Dec 04, 2021, 9:51 AM UTC

Lets say that there is a video that says you can cure any cancer by eating specific food. Now, you will have people that believes this and you have video with 400-1k upvotes.

Person sees the video and how liked it is. In the past he would have seen 3k dislikes and perhaps started to think, what's wrong with the content? Perhaps they would not buy my book..

But not anymore, now we can sell the ideas much easier. And if we think positively, buying likes is much cheaper now than before. No need to worry about those dislikes so much. Just buying enough of them for making the content more believable!

Thank you YouTube for making these business practices easier.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by hn_throwaway_69 » Sat, Dec 04, 2021, 10:01 AM UTC

SquareWheel wrote: post #458

Did nobody watch the linked video? It's obvious he had comments restricted because his comment was deemed as abusive, and not because it was critical of "hiding dislikes". "That's not abusive at all", you may be thinking. But calling others names, even something as nonsensical as calling them a "handjob", can still easily fall under their terms of use. If you refer to the original video[1], people are nothing but cri…

I also thought it was not helpful that he chose to include the word 'job' in the demonstration comment.

Their systems could perceive it as an attempt to evade the filter.