1,200 an hour! Jeez, that is insane! good for them. Once in a while, I come across something like this and wonder, what is it like to be that rich to casually drop 1,200 an hour , for anything, let alone on escorts.
I saw a very popular pornstar for $1,600. No regrets.
Overly analytical guide to escorting
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Re: Overly analytical guide to escorting
#452She forgot to follow up on the buttcrack hair comment as promised. "(more on buttcrack hairs later)." I imagined a graph of number of missed buttcrack hairs to the amount of light allowed in a session.
Given that light falls off at an inverse square rate do you plot the lumnes at source of light, centre of the bed or the observed light at the buttcrack? If the later, how do you account for different distances from the light source durring a given session?
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#453Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is not me who is confused. In either case selling time IS selling limited power over yourself, the use of your capabilities. My employer pays me to think about their problems and solve them with my brain (and fingers). A client of a sex worker pays them to use other mental skills and body parts. How is one different than the other? There are many jobs that you would consider "normal" that are far more dangerous (e…
It is the sexual act itself that makes it special, which is why I'm against simply abstracting away all jobs to "using mental skills and body parts". A client of a hitman also pays them to use mental skills and body parts. How is being a hitman different than being a software engineer? Sex is something women do not generally give out easily, especially to men they are interested in dating for the long term. Sex is al…
All of the rest comes down to baseless mental hangups, although e.g. withholding random sex has basis in safety considerations. There's also reputational damage, but that cannot be used to to justify reputational damage, that would be circular. It sadly has to be managed, though, so even those without mental hangups and safety concerns might withhold sex.
The answers are "yes, probably" and "yes, if that's the best option in terms of income and safety". To the extent that it gives me pause, I can recognize those are just bugs in my thinking. It's often helpful to analyze your reactions and conclude they are broken, not trust your gut with no justification, e.g. instinctively get angry when someone cuts you off in traffic, or in this case are instinctively disgusted by sex work.
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#454Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If I was in a situation where I could either prostitute myself (legally, in a safe-enough environment like a legal club with a bouncer) or clean toilets (legally, in a safe-enough enviroment) Maybe that's because you expect yourself to benefit from it as much as your friend or the girl who wrote the article. Will you disagree that decriminalizing it, just like that, will lead to an increase in competition in that s…
I will not respond to most of what you said, as it's getting rather repetitive, you seem to have made up your mind about how prostitution is exclusively all of the following and worse: necessarily extremely "degrading", "like selling organs and slavery", "leads to pedophilia", is about "sucking dirty dicks". Divorced from reality in other words. I feel like I am talking to a creationist who argues that evolution is j…
That's alright
> how prostitution is exclusively all of the following and worse...
You never explained why we should exclusively decriminalize prostitution but not everything else which perfectly fits into wiki's labor definition
> necessarily extremely "degrading"
not necessarily. There is a tip of the iceberg - girls who write "fantastic articles", "informative, well-written, thoughtful, human, and funny",- whose rights you are trying to defend here.
> "leads to pedophilia"
I think, you should've said "leads to gay marriages", for consistency
> "like selling organs and slavery"
you never explained where should we stop and why prostitution is different
> Divorced from reality in other words.
Alright
> I feel like I am talking to a creationist who argues that evolution is just an unproven theory.
Same
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> But this shit had my blood boiling:
I know that there are more than 2 opportunities and I figured out that you are from a developed country, so I chose a more likely reason to go into prostitution, according to my divorced from reality views.
> First of all, aren't we a little bit elitist and superficial? I am friends with her because I like her as a human and she is a nice person and fun to hang out with, not because she is "able to keep my interest" with smarts and education...
I don't think so. Humans have a huge variation in intelligence so understanding each other may be a big problem. I have acquaintances who are nice people but I feel very uncomfortable talking to them - it's like talking to big, adult-size kids. I also have nice acquaintances, who are like on the edge of understanding, from the left side of the scale - sometimes annoying but hanging out is fun. And I have those with whom I feel like we have a complete understanding(not agreement), and those with whom I myself feel like an idiot and need to put lots of effort to just keep up.
> And prostitution wasn't the only choice for her, even tho thanks to her rebellious years and bad academic record, her choices were limited.
Is technical college in Germany somehow a bad choice, compared to cleaning? Good grades are not needed and you get payed while studying, or it's not as cool as internet describes it?
That was interesting, thank you for writing.
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Let's cut everything I said before as irrelevant so you won't feel bad talking about it. Let's talk about what you wrote as I need your help to understand it, no sarcasm intended.
Prostitution is no different from work in McDonalds or even cleaning toilets, they are all labor. Alright. But then we get into a situation where .
So, if prostitution is just the same, we get serious inequality: women, by birth, have better opportunities than men. Men are stronger but it doesn't bring much to their table: blunt force is not smth of a high value nowadays.
Therefore, when women tell me about their serious or not so serious financial troubles, I should suggest them to go into prostitution and give them a link to this topic which explains how to do it right. Yeah, people don't like advises they didn't ask for, but I just want to help - helped a couple of girls to get junior positions in IT when they didn't even consider it as an option, thinking that it immensely hard, but IT not even remotely close to the benefits of the prostitution. Most(I'd say absolute majority, but I'm not inclined enough to google statistics) IT positions, for which someone is willing to pay you, are extremely repetitive and boring, whether it's junior, middle or senior, and, if you come there for the money only, it will be a trouble getting higher on the salary ladder. In a country I am from, a highly qualified senior I know gets around 2600$ and he is not very thrilled about this job as he been doing it for 10 years but he likes the salary and that's enough for him. If we legalize prostitution so prostitutes could get pensions and other security benefits, it wins, hands down. And I'm comparing it to mental labor because it's hard for me to imagine physical labor to compare.
Alright, prostitution is the same and it wins.
But there's a problem here - if I advice that to the women/girls I know, I can 100% tell you that the response I will get is a slap or, more likely, a punch in the face, a kick in the balls or a combination from those. What am I missing here? Do you think it's because they are just not as open-minded as you are?
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#455Earlier quoted context omitted.
Comparing prostitution to physical labor is no different from comparing selling your organs to prostitution. Indeed, giving away for free a part of what you earned is bad, but giving a part of yourself, be it psychological or physical health(which should not be separated, actually, but lets not complicate things. Lots of things we can lose and still continue to live), is worse.
You are not paid only for physical labor in a company. You are expected to be part of the company culture, which, most of the times, is mental prostitution.
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#456Earlier quoted context omitted.
From the linked article This increases competition of sex workers for johns, artificially drives prices down, gives johns greater bargaining power over sex workers, and doesn’t fix the problem of johns trying hard to remain anonymous and requiring situations where you’re less able to go to the police if you wanted. Sex workers hate this.
I am aware of her view from the article. The approach I believe is more aimed at involuntary victims not being further victimized or being threatened with being reported to law enforcement as a mechanism of control. The sex workers Aella is sampling and interacting with may or may-not be a representative of this segment or Nordic countries have bigger problems with this than in United States I don't have an opinion(o…
The law is supposedly there to protect the sex workers, but you don't do that by forcing into hiding and making it unlikely that any crimes against them will be reported by anyone else.
If they really cared about the sex workers they would instead make it easy for them to get anonymous support with health, in particular mental health, and drug abuse problems. And institute a hotline for sex buyers to call without risk getting into any legal troubles if they suspect that a sex worker needs any help for whatever reason.
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#457Earlier quoted context omitted.
I will not respond to most of what you said, as it's getting rather repetitive, you seem to have made up your mind about how prostitution is exclusively all of the following and worse: necessarily extremely "degrading", "like selling organs and slavery", "leads to pedophilia", is about "sucking dirty dicks". Divorced from reality in other words. I feel like I am talking to a creationist who argues that evolution is j…
> I will not respond to most of what you said That's alright > how prostitution is exclusively all of the following and worse... You never explained why we should exclusively decriminalize prostitution but not everything else which perfectly fits into wiki's labor definition > necessarily extremely "degrading" not necessarily. There is a tip of the iceberg - girls who write "fantastic articles", "informative, well-wr…
I - and others too - have repeatedly pointed out how prostitution is not different from other already legal physical labor, but here goes the summary: it's consensual, something adults do, it can be relatively safe[0], it isn't necessarily more of a health risk than a lot of other jobs both for physical and mental health[0].
Selling organs clearly does not fit that. Slavery does not either. Child prostitution does not either. Your argument seems to be "if we allow any paid work, this will lead to child exploitation". "If we allow factory work, then it's a slippery slope to legalizing child factory work", "If we allow prostitution, then it's a slippery slope to legalizing child sex work". No, it fucking isn't, no matter how often you repeat that argument, slightly rephrased.
Your only other objection I keep hearing is that that genitals are somehow magical and very different from other organs so that when you use them for work instead of pleasure they will immediately fuck with your head, unlike say your brain or hands which are fine to use for work. And that prostitution is somehow degrading in itself [citation needed] most of the time. All those claims are not just outright wrong, they are on a level of "the earth is flat" to me.
> chose a more likely reason to go into prostitution,
How exactly do you figure it's "the more likely reason"? What informed that? Do you have any foundation to make this claim?
>Is technical college in Germany somehow a bad choice, compared to cleaning? Good grades are not needed and you get payed while studying, or it's not as cool as internet describes it?
That's a misunderstanding of how the system works. First of all, you don't get paid for visiting any school. You usually do not have to pay (much) either if it's a state run school (private schools are different and can be quite expensive).
We have state-run vocational schools, as well as private vocational schools. If you want to learn a trade, such as plumber, hairdresser or welder or sales or whatever, you have to find a company hiring you as an apprentice and then that company will educate you on the practical hands-on side while the vocational school will give you a good chunk of theory specific to your job and/or more generally applicable knowledge (e.g. they might teach you how to write a proper, legal invoice) as well as additional general education (math in particular). But here is the thing: finding a company to hire you as an apprentice is hard, and it can be quite impossible depending where you live if your final school grades are shit. Too many applicants for open spots, and there will be applicants with better grades. If you get an apprenticeship, you get paid a small salary by the company, but it's usually not enough to live on your own, often not even enough to live with room mates. So you can either "freeload" from your parents or take out a special state student loan[1] (or somehow have money saved). An apprenticeship lasts between 2 years and 4 years, depending on the specific trade. Expect 700 bucks a month if you're a plumber apprentice, before taxes. The pay is worse now than ever in most apprenticeships, by the way. My mom in todays equivalent money would have been paid more than double what she would get now as an apprentice in the same vocation.
Then there is what one could call "technical colleges", which are a little like community colleges I suppose. You get a "uni-degree-light" (Fachhochschulabsluss). E.g. you can become a "programmer" but you cannot become a "computer scientist" or "computer engineer" (for those degrees you have to go to a university). Applicants must however have a certain school or equivalent degree ("Fachhochschulreife"), and a lot of people don't (my friend did not). You can get this required degree by either staying a little longer in school, go back to a (night) school or you automatically get it if you get an accredited vocational degree[2].
Then there is full universities. In order to get in, you have to have the highest school degree (Abitur) or a completed masters degree or diploma from a technical college. So if you do not have either, you can go back to (night) school to get your Abitur. Certain fields of study, like medicine, have additional grade requirements ("numerus clausus") because there are far too many applicants (with certain exceptions, e.g. if you can demonstrate you had a "problematic" upbringing for example).
There are basically six ways you can leave regular school as a kid: no degree (congrats, nobody will ever hire you for anything except the worst menial jobs), Hauptschule ("main school" or "basic school", very hard to get an apprenticeship with just that, but not impossible) after grade 9, Realschule (mid school, you usually go the vocational school/apprenticeship route after that) after grade 10, Erweiterter Sekundarstufenabschluss I (basically Realschule+, the difference being your grades were good enough to allow you to stay in school and pursue the Abitur) after grade 10, and Abitur after grade 12 or 13 (qualifies you to go to university, technical colleges or you can of course go to a vocational school, but a lot of companies will not offer you an apprenticeship because they consider you "overqualified"). The "Fachhochschulreife" you can get by going the Abitur route, but leaving with good enough grades after grade 11, or visiting a "Fachoberschule" after you already earned a Realschule degree (Fachoberschulen often offer night school for people getting their Fachhochschule while working an unskilled job during the day).
Everything is rather complicated, I know. But it also gives you a lot of options and different way to get there.
The point is: you don't get paid going to school, and you don't get paid enough being an apprentice. I am sure that some people earn money from prostitution and other sex work to finance their time in school as opposed to taking out loans or work dead end side jobs with a lot worse pay-by-hour rate. Tho the common trope is that your waiter is probably a student (which is true enough that it became a political issue when gastronomy was shut down during corona and a lot of students got into financial dire straits thanks to it).
>If we legalize prostitution so prostitutes could get pensions and other security benefits, it wins, hands down.
That's what happen in Germany, by the way. Prostitution counts as regular work and thus you get access to all kinds of benefits and access to the national retirement insurance, workplace injury insurance, etc.
>So, if prostitution is just the same, we get serious inequality: women, by birth, have better opportunities than men.
Uh... what?
>But there's a problem here - if I advice that to the women/girls I know, I can 100% tell you that the response I will get is a slap or, more likely, a punch in the face, a kick in the balls or a combination from those. What am I missing here? Do you think it's because they are just not as open-minded as you are?
The thing is, you'd get that slap under the current situation, where prostitution is not legal were you are and highly stigmatized.
Then again, such advice would be misleading regardless. Prostitution is not necessarily better than other jobs. Other jobs often offer a guaranteed salary, while prostitution does not as you're usually self-employed. Self-employment usually has other legal and practical ramifications as well, in general. Prostitution usually has a limited time you can keep doing it, because demand for your services will get lower and lower as you get older (usually), so you have to earn enough and save enough to finance your early-compared-to-other-jobs retirement, or be prepared to change professions later.
I personally would not advice anybody to take up prostitution as their only profession, because of the uncertain financial future, even in a world were it's legal and does not carry an excessive stigma. I won't tell anybody not to take up that profession either, if I get the feeling they carefully considered the pros and cons. Then again, I wouldn't advice anybody to pick up any kind of other self-employment either, for the same reason, unless they well researched it first and are confident it's going to work out for them.
[0] If you do it legally and aren't cut off from the police and welfare systems, and take the right precautions. As with many other jobs, if you do not take the right precautions, you can be harmed. As with other jobs even with the right precautions you can only minimize the risk of harm, not eliminate it entirely. Some jobs are explicitly about you putting yourself into harms way, like soldiers, security and bouncers, bodyguards, police, fire fighters. Other jobs have an inherent risk like cab drivers, construction workers, etc. There are jobs that can be very bad for your mental health, like again soldiers and police, EMTs and nurses and doctors, child protective service and social workers, and a plethora of others. And dull, repetitive work does not have a reputation of being particularly good for your psyche either.
[1] Called BaFöG. Basically a no interest loan, and you only have to pay back if you can, but how much of a loan you depends on your means and the means of your parents.
[2] Vocational degrees are usually not given by the vocational school, or the company which had you as an apprentice, but by a trade organization. It normally requires passing a final round of exams administered by those organizations.
Re: Overly analytical guide to escorting
#458Talent is generally understood to mean an innate ability, but for any practical advice in this direction that can be put into words, well, some readers would be very grateful to know it.
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#459Earlier quoted context omitted.
It lets SWERFs pat themselves on the back and feel good by pretending they're not punishing sex workers, only the "evil" men who provide sex workers with income. In practice we have seen in both Sweden and Norway that police systematically pressure landlords and hotels to evict sex workers from rented apartments/rooms under threat of pimping charges. Immigrant sex workers have been deported after going to the police…
With "systematically pressure", you can actually say "tries to enforce the law"[1], if they're aware that the premise is used for swapping sex for money, they need to make it stop. Simply paying for a not-for-work apartment or should not fall under that legal space, though. [1] https://lagen.nu/1962:700#K6P12S2
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#460She forgot to follow up on the buttcrack hair comment as promised. "(more on buttcrack hairs later)." I imagined a graph of number of missed buttcrack hairs to the amount of light allowed in a session.
Given that light falls off at an inverse square rate do you plot the lumnes at source of light, centre of the bed or the observed light at the buttcrack? If the later, how do you account for different distances from the light source durring a given session?