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Agreed with all of the above, but it addition, isn’t it obvious gun owners in the United States are much more likely to support any likely authoritarian government? They are mostly right wing, and the right wing in the US increasingly leans authoritarian.
Which authoritarian policies are the right wing in the US increasingly leaning towards again? As far as I can tell, most "right wing" individuals mostly want liberty from government interfering in their lives.
Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds
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Congratulations on never having encountered a police officer. If you do, you'll be very aware of the fact that they're treating you as if you were armed. I am aware of it, and I'm not even black -- and I've seen how much worse it is for black people. Congrats, also, on graduating school before school shootings became a big thing. Me, too. It was great not having to go through metal detectors on my way to class. I am…
I’m not white and I’ve been stopped by police numerous times and have never been afraid of being shot. The chances of being involved in a school shooting are lower than the chance of being hit by lightning. I also have flown many times. Nobody has ever ‘checked me for guns’. Generally they are checking for knives and explosives. You might be too young to remember, but much of today’s airport security was brought in a…
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#453There's something admirable about the idea that a government would not take away all the guns. The idea that people should not have to give up all of their ability to fight. The idea that people should not be entirely dependent on police for their defense. And the idea that physically weaker people (often women) can defend themselves against the strong. Does this idea work? Surprisingly well. If you had to guess the…
Murders aren't the only issue, though. Just the possibility of a gun being present changes a lot of interactions in the US. Every police encounter has to assume you have a gun. A lot of innocent deaths at the hands of police are treated as "I thought he had a gun", which makes everybody scared of the police -- especially minorities. School children go through metal detectors every single day, never turning up any gun…
I suspect the reason is because a higher than average proportion of people who post here tend to live in cities (and be in their 20s), where crime is both naturally higher and vastly more visible than it is when not in a city; this is why city people tend to be a lot more authoritarian and risk-averse than people who live in regions with population densities with a more favorable ratio of People Who Destroy Society per mile.
These people are people who, all else being equal, do things the average person would rather them not do, like property crime, pounding the apartment walls at 1 AM, shitting in the street, and the like. It's possible to build places where these things don't happen, but none of them are compatible with maintaining the political power of the risk averse as they currently exist today (even though, ironically, those places give even more power to the risk-averse).
Case in point,
>Many are even required to carry transparent backpacks, just in case one has a gun.
which is only in effect in the places with most of the crime (read: inner city), and the occasional suburban district where irrational risk-aversity got a foothold. Everywhere else tends to be a little bit saner and would prefer to not constantly broadcast a message of "be constantly afraid of a thing that's vanishingly rare" (which is what the backpacks are meant to symbolize), at least until irrational risk-aversity starts paying political dividends in those areas as well (or it is forced upon them by the cities if the state isn't structured in a way to keep them in check).
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Not a great comparison. I've never heard of a toddler accidentally murdering someone with a fire extinguisher, yet that's an everyday occurrence with guns.
Really? Show us the link for yesterday’s occurrence.
Hint: stop digging, admit you're wrong.
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#455Earlier quoted context omitted.
> But the U.S. murder rate is not all that remarkable, really The US is at 4.96/100,000 for 2012. For reference, Angola is better at 4.85. Bulgaria and Romania, the poorest countries in the EU, are at 1.3. France is at 1.2. If by not remarkable you mean 3 as bad as other developed countries, sure. The numbers are only for intentional homicide, not even counting accidents and suicides which are also made worse by the…
The murder rate varies widely by state/area. Chicago's murder rate is significantly higher than its suburbs. The murder rate in the town (37k residents) I live in (in the south) is effectively zero. I wouldn't doubt that all of my neighbors around me (most of us are originally from a northern state) have guns and we've managed not to kill each other. Do you think the French revolution didn't require violence?
One fact about murders that has exceptionally low variance is the likelihood of personally knowing the person that murders you. This is 90%, in almost all circumstances and areas.
Means, the gun, is only one part of the equation and has been noted generally the smallest. Motive is far more important when attempting to put murder rates into context.
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#456Earlier quoted context omitted.
> But the U.S. murder rate is not all that remarkable, really The US is at 4.96/100,000 for 2012. For reference, Angola is better at 4.85. Bulgaria and Romania, the poorest countries in the EU, are at 1.3. France is at 1.2. If by not remarkable you mean 3 as bad as other developed countries, sure. The numbers are only for intentional homicide, not even counting accidents and suicides which are also made worse by the…
The US is not that bad compared to other New World countries. From your link we see Brazil at 27, Mexico at 29, Argentina at 5, Uruguay at 12, Greenland at 5, Panama at 9, and Costa Rica at 11. Canada is the biggest outlier, but the US still has less homicide than even relatively nice New World countries. If you’re going to tout France’s low homicide rate of 1.2, I’d invite you to observe that Japan’s homicide rate i…
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#457i live in the american south, where everybody owns guns. i own a gun for hunting. but for self defense, i have pepper spray and bear spray instead of guns because i don't want to kill somebody regardless of their intentions. i'd be curious to see the stats of self-defense/firearms, because it seems like self-defense gun owners are LARPing over imagined intruder situations. they're definitely not about to take up arms…
> ...i don't want to kill somebody regardless of their intentions... This is where each person's specific ethics are really important. I would really hate to ever kill anyone. Full stop. But I would definitely prefer to kill a criminal that was attempting to murder me or someone else. If you would rather be murdered by a criminal rather than kill them, that is a respectable position to hold. Although I do tend to dou…
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To begin with you're creating a premise that the only reason gun legality can be justified is self defense, particularly against other people. I do not accept this premise. There are many other premises for gun legality. That said, when I was very young my grandfather had to shoot a number of stray dogs out his car window while driving through a rough pasture because they'd killed a couple calves and were attacking h…
Most people would have just called animal control
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1. Most people don’t even understand how a gun mechanically functions. It lives in the realm of magic for most people, despite being mechanically very simple. This base ignorance of the function of a firearm is one of the biggest reasons why firearm-related accidents happen. You might not want a gun, and fine—that’s your stance—but you should know how it works and how to use it. Unless you need to clean it and for th…
Surprisingly, no. The number of misses at very close range in high-stress situations is very high. Hit rates for cops are in the 25% - 50% range, and that's with training. It's easy enough to get a gun to fire. Hitting the right target requires practice.
This is also biased by big cities that have extinguished their gun culture, NYC in particular. That has grave consequences, shall I say.
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#460There's something admirable about the idea that a government would not take away all the guns. The idea that people should not have to give up all of their ability to fight. The idea that people should not be entirely dependent on police for their defense. And the idea that physically weaker people (often women) can defend themselves against the strong. Does this idea work? Surprisingly well. If you had to guess the…
> But the U.S. murder rate is not all that remarkable, really The US is at 4.96/100,000 for 2012. For reference, Angola is better at 4.85. Bulgaria and Romania, the poorest countries in the EU, are at 1.3. France is at 1.2. If by not remarkable you mean 3 as bad as other developed countries, sure. The numbers are only for intentional homicide, not even counting accidents and suicides which are also made worse by the…